"IQ and wealth are correlative and people who can maneuver their way into politics tend to be above average to begin with."

153 is not "above average".

It's 1 in 4,873. I've taken hand-written official IQ tests and scored 150+, the kind accepted by both MENSA, and the Triple 9 Society, not the unregulated unofficial tests that are a dime a dozen on the internet.

An above average IQ would be 110, or 120.

The only thing "special" about Trump is that he has no internal filter and says exactly what he is thinking no matter how stupid it is.


"But why the obsession with IQ rather than policy? If your IQ was as high as you say it is you would recognize the futility of character assassination (ad hominem)."

You're making a very weak argument that is not only a strawman but hinges upon a false dichotomy.

My post contained no ad-hominem. It contained facts about the president and the schools he went to.

And only a moron believes character assassination is futile. Character assassination is what got Trump elected. It's what gets many politicians elected. Smear campaigns are character assassinations, they are a major part of politics.

"everybody and their gramda has seen the rick and morty meme. God you're like a smug kid going on reddit for the first time and bragging about the "hottest memes" and thinking you're so esoteric, meanwhile all the big kids have already moved on. Step it up tryhard."

Go back and read again.

In case you still can't comprehend:

Knyte posted a Rick & Morty meme. It was his only post in the thread at the time Padraig responded with:

"Knyte you would have us think that Trump's political moves, "say something deep about LIFE?"

Wow.

And what basis do you have for thinking that Trump reads Aleksander Dugin of all people. Not that I would be shocked. After all, it is said that Trump has read Hitler.

Link: http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-ex-wife-once-said-he-kept-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-2015-8?r=DE&IR=T"

He obviously took it serious.

I'm not a "smug kid". I'm not making a big deal out of recognizing something that most people in this thread likely recognize. I'm merely pointing out to the person that did in fact take it seriously, that it isn't a "very good parody", it is infact old copy-pasta.


PS:

"everybody and their gramda has seen the rick and morty meme. God you're like a smug kid going on reddit for the first time and bragging about the "hottest memes" and thinking you're so esoteric, meanwhile all the big kids have already moved on. Step it up tryhard."

That, is in fact ad-hominem, unlike anything in my post which you attacked. Try practicing what you preach. I know, that's going to be hard, I am unfortunately asking you to be less like your hero "Lord Trump" when making such a request.

PPS: No worries, I won't bother trying to further assassinate your character. As far as I am concerned you were Dead on Arrival, a stillborn.

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I have no idea how smart Mister Trump is, however I don't find it that interesting how smart he is but instead I'm more interested in his own perception of his intelligence. If he sees his own IQ as like 180 I would find this quite alarming.

Personally I find Trump quite badass to be honest. I mean when thinking about Janet Yellen weighing each and every of her words and the thousands of analysts trying to interpret behind the lines of her statements. And then Mister President steps into this environment and makes his foreign policy via Twitter. You might find Trump a laughing stock however he is indeed the head of the most powerful country in the world and lot's of powers are carefully examining his Twitter ramblings which take him a couple of seconds to type in.

On what basis should I accept your claim that you have a 150+ IQ, because you say so? Because it isn't apparent by your language on this forum. Then you used your own apparently high IQ to establish an ethos and argue that Trump doesn't have a high IQ. This does not work because 1) we have seen no proof of your apparently genius-level IQ 2)IQ is merely a qualification for judgement, it does not mean you get to prove that Trump has a low IQ.

Fitting that 1 in 5,000 people have a 150+ IQ, and yet the political and business elite class is equally as exclusive.

Your argument is completely asinine and for that reason I can only assume your IQ is average at best. Even an average mind understands the concept of backing up claims with evidence. And if your IQ is 150+ do I really give a damn? It has no bearing on the argument.

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We are talking about character assassinations, not in the context of establishment-level politics but in the context of "getting the point across" on a flash game forum for gods sake.

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I always mirror character attacks and every buthhurt Nauzhror post contains enough vitriolic rage to level a city block so I'm going to attack you; in dealing with actual arguments like Trumps IQ I will attempt to be as formal as possible but never hold back the bantz on a pseudo-intellectual.

"On what basis should I accept your claim that you have a 150+ IQ, because you say so?"

I don't really care what you believe, my IQ was never the topic. Attempting to make it such is a strawman.

You're claiming Trump has a likely IQ of 153. I know what my IQ is, you have no idea what Trumps is. Yet you're the one requesting evidence to prove something irrelevant, while offering none for a claim that is relevant to the thread.

"Your argument is completely asinine and for that reason I can only assume your IQ is average at best."

Except that Warlight itself is already proof of my IQ being extraordinary. It's a game that revolves around math, patterns, critical thinking, the same things tested in IQ tests. I'm among the games top 0.1% in ability.

You're not going to find a player whose been top 10 on a ladder, let alone multiple ladders, who has an average IQ.

"And if your IQ is 150+ do I really give a damn? It has no bearing on the argument."

You're right, it doesn't, yet you're the one making it the focus of your responses. You're not trying to prove Trump's IQ, you're trying to disprove mine.

Character assassinations are effective, everywhere. They're frowned upon in official debating tournaments like WUDC, but on any public forum they are absolutely effective, and not remotely futile. Politics is a public forum, what works there is no different than what works on an internet forum.

You don't know how to effectively argue, your posts are scatter-brained and filled with non sequiturs.

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But why the obsession with IQ

that's what I ask """race realists""" every time they bring it up.

"Race realists" are morons. They're just bigots trying to rationalize their bigotry.

It's not worth arguing with them about whether some races are inferior to others, because end of the day, even if we assume that one race is inferior to another, it's still not a legitimate reason to treat them as such unless you also approve of treating poor people, uneducated people, people of lesser intelligence, and handicapped people as if they are inferior as well, regardless of their age, sex, or ethnicity.

Even if we assume blacks do have inherently lower IQ's on average than whites, I never see the people proposing these arguments accepting that I can treat the white members of their family whom have sub-130 IQ as if they are pieces of trash.

Donald Trump has a 30-inch dong (60 inches if you use the metric system)

haha this line was good.

You used your own IQ as a qualifier and then said Trump doesn't have your supposed IQ. The implied conclusion here is that Trump has a sub-150 IQ. Even IF you are as intelligent as you claim, that is no indicator of Trump's IQ score; Nauzhror is not the divine judge of IQ scores because he has a 150 IQ (dubious).

Maths intelligence is not nearly as important as the convergent ability to see the "bigger picture." Perfecting one field of thought is an entirely different thing than choosing the most worthy field of thought. The latter is eminent. The most insightful things ever written were penned by people who couldn't be damned with math beyond the basics. Not to discredit the talent of mathematicians, but maths IQ is not a special qualifier that allows you to weigh in on politics and beat out other views just by having a high score. You correctly identified IQ as irrelevant dick-wagging so why you're still talking about it is a great mystery to me.

As for race and IQ, if we concede Whites have a higher on average IQ than other groups, and we value IQ, we would naturally support the proliferation of the White race as opposed to its destruction through mixing with lower IQ groups.

Why all the talk about IQ to begin with?

It's becoming more accepted that there are multiple types of intelligence and IQ isn't the end-all be-all people make it out to be.

The importance of IQ has been so exaggerated that at this point it's just an empty number that people flaunt so they can feel superior about themselves and degrade those with a lower arbitrary number.

Measure people by accomplishments, not some silly number.

(I'm not talking about Trump in this post. Just pointing out that IQ is a very flawed stat to judge someone on)

Edited 10/20/2017 22:03:48

/uj for once

I think this thread pretty firmly corroborates that old line about Donald Trump being a dumb person's idea of what a smart person looks like. But no one's gonna walk out of here convinced of anything they didn't already believe, so why not have some fun while we contribute to the breakdown of dialogue and increase in political polarization that might lead within our lifetimes to the inevitable downfall of one of the most (absolutely) powerful political entities of all time?

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I've basically just been copying the top posts I could find on /r/copypasta, except for the 30 inch dick one, which was mostly just from articles about Kim Jong-Un and a little bit of original material (I gave up on my rap career and switched to stand-up, as Wulfhere seems to have noticed).

Haven't really met many successful people IRL who care about IQ, tbh. Plus the North American with the highest IQ unironically made this: http://www.ctmu.org/ (a goldmine of lost/wasted potential of someone who could've either led a rather fulfilling life or contributed significantly to human society- quite the tragedy and a bit of a reverse-Trump scenario where an innately intelligent person gets access to almost no resources and a hostile growth environment). IQ's are mostly just SAT scores for adults- they contain some information, but if you typically lose credibility by bringing them up in conversation.

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You're never going to convince me that Trump is as intelligent as I am.

lol

It's sad and hilarious this is a perfectly rational thing for pretty much anyone to say about the President of the United States.

Donald Trump watches Rick and Morty, so its no surprise that he's intelligent.

No. I think his supporters think that he is because he makes sense to them in a way that other presidents haven't. The reason, of course, is that he shares their mediocrity. He's a monument to a failed education system and the deification of money and wealth. The guy didn't even know that the Virgin Islands are a part of the U.S.

he acts stupid but he isnt, if he wasn't stupid he wouldnt be where he is you need to be pretty fucking smart to go from being a reality tv star to potus lmao

Donald Trump watches Rick and Morty, so its no surprise that he's intelligent.


lol

you must be very intelligent to understand this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qCaLgRadwA

Trump says he has the greatest memory of any human ever.

Trump said 'i don't remember' 35 times during the Trump University scam deposition.

at least he remembers something:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs

Edited 10/27/2017 02:11:24