https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwKPFT-RioU

Like in every youtube video, there are flaws. But this isn't a thread to discuss the mistakes of the video, but to discuss its message.
Admire the peace we are living in.
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Have a nice Sunday!

1) The creator did apologize for calling German soldiers Nazis. In fact, the Wehrmacht was the most anti-Nazi institution in Nazi Germany. The Abwehr, the Wehrmacht's own secret spy organization actively worked against the Nazis, encouraging revolts in France, Yugoslavia, and attempting several assassinations of Hitler.

Almost all of Hitler's would be assassins and conspirators came from the Army. It was the one military institution that had not been 100% gutted at the Treaty of Versailles and so its commanders were appointed before Hitler took power.

2) The Russian casualties were the saddest part. But we have to remember that the People's Commiserate for Internal Affairs or NKVD or proto-KGB would shoot whole units of Russian soldiers if they disobeyed orders and retreated, which they did not mention. A lot of the Soviet deaths were self inflicted, like when Stalin forced civilians to stay in cities, like Stalingrad, which they did mention.

3) I had no idea that 2/3 of Japanese military casualties were taken while fighting the Americans.

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Operation Barbarossa was the most heroic undertaking of any Western Army since the French Revolution. For the last time men would die fighting Communism, not to contain it, not to allow its elements to continue on in degenerate urban centers ("Democratic" Socialism), but to destroy it forever.

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The Nazis were socialists themselves though so I don't see how they were fighting communism. Even if they destroyed the USSR (lolol), the crooked authertiarian ideology of the Left would have still lived on in Berlin and its possessions.

The US fighting the British was not a war on capitalism. Likewise the Nazis fighting the Soviets was just infighting within the authoritrian Left.

The key difference is : National Socialist Germany was controlled by Western men, and purged the political enemies of Western civilization off the continent. The USSR was controlled by those very political enemies. Simply because two governments employ similar policies does not make them allies. Furthermore the Nazis never fully collectivized their farms leading to famine, nor were millions of Germans murdered in gulags. Murdering your political enemies is one thing.. your own people another thing entirely.

Except they didn't purge the political enemies of Western civilization. It's still lefties vs. lefties; basically a fight between two kinds of cancer in the same body. It would've been nice if one of them killed the other off, but you'd still need chemo to rid the world of the winning kind socialist cancer. Basically what happened anyway with the USSR being on the winning side of WW2 and then needing another 45 years of cold war to get wiped out itself.

Give up man. You can't convince the sane, educated people of Warlight to support one kind of socialism because it opposed another.

the Nazis never fully collectivized their farms

what do you mean by fully collectivized

He means that he needed to draw some arbitrary distinction between the Nazis (the National SOCIALISTS) and the USSR because he's too beta to admit that the Nazis were just another brand of lefty authoritarianism.

Collectivized farming = the government puts farmers on special pieces of public land and steals their harvest.

This has the unfortunate consequence of starving the entire population.

Admire the peace we are living in.

not done enough i'm afraid

OK. So how did the Nazis regard themselves. It is instructive to see what Adolf Hitler had to say on the subject. An excerpt from Mein Kampf:

Yes, how often did they not turn up in huge numbers, those supporters of the Red Flag, all previously instructed to smash up everything once and for all and put an end to these meetings. More often than not everything hung on a mere thread, and only the chairman’s ruthless determination and the rough handling by our ushers baffled our adversaries’ intentions. And indeed they had every reason for being irritated.

The fact that we had chosen red as the colour for our posters sufficed to attract them to our meetings. The ordinary bourgeoisie were very shocked to see that, we had also chosen the symbolic red of Bolshevism and they regarded this as something ambiguously significant.

The suspicion was whispered in German Nationalist circles that we also were merely another variety of Marxism, perhaps even Marxists suitably disguised, or better still, Socialists. The actual difference between Socialism and Marxism still remains a mystery to these people up to this day. The charge of Marxism was conclusively proved when it was discovered that at our meetings we deliberately substituted the words ‘Fellow-countrymen and Women’ for ‘Ladies and Gentlemen’ and addressed each other as ‘Party Comrade’. We used to roar with laughter at these silly faint-hearted bourgeoisie and their efforts to puzzle out our origin, our intentions and our aims.

We chose red for our posters after particular and careful deliberation, our intention being to irritate the Left, so as to arouse their attention and tempt them to come to our meetings – if only in order to break them up – so that in this way we got a chance of talking to the people...

The goal of the Nazis and Hitler, with the use of the color red, and the name Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei with its emphasis on Socialism, was from the very beginning to confuse and deceive. It worked.

And it is still working.

Wow I can't believe you're siding with the Nazis, Padraig.

I am not siding with the Nazis.

My point is that it is not correct, or of any real use, to think of them as being of the left or socialists.

The fact that the Soviets were authoritarians just as the Nazis were, does not make them the same. Neither does the fact that they both describe themselves as being socialist.

The Nazis were quite earnest, nonetheless they were not above trolling as we would say today. Their treatment of the German Communists (Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands, KPD) as well as the Social Democrats (Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands, SPD) is, for me, telling and very much to the point.

The fact that the Soviets were authoritarians just as the Nazis were, does not make them the same. Neither does the fact that they both describe themselves as being socialist.

They weren't the same. One was lung cancer, the other liver cancer. Both were still socialist, though, as you admit in your own post. And sure they persecuted other socialists, but we've already covered that. Still socialist.

No, I said that the Nazis called themselves Socialist. That does not mean that they were, any more than the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic.

Anything meaningfull from anyone beside cruelest?

Just because Nasoc has SOCIALISM in its name does not make it a left country, just like DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC of Korea does not make the North ''Democratic'' and ''People's''.

Kretoma and knyte have a very limited historical perspective and will never be able to see past their own bias.

The cancer analogy is oversimplified and lacks any historical or political context. As a matter of fact, Communism is advocated by a group of individuals that want an entirely different reality than those advocating National Socialism. So different in fact, they are opposites. Communists are egalitarians, Nazis support hierarchy. Communists support the abolishment of race and class, National Socialists promote race as eminent, and never waged a class war - the National Socialists purged their Communist-sympathizers in the Night of the Long Knives. Communists put Christians into gulags, National Socialists put Jews into labor camps. The ideologies were supported by two political distinct elites that were in a death struggle throughout the 20th century. Communists tended to be Jews, liberals, and overall left-wing in every regard (the "Nobel Prize" elite of the 20th century.) Fascism, National Socialism, and other related Traditionalist movements were a reaction against liberalism.

As an anarchist it makes me cry that anyone thinks communists are not authoritarian. What does freedom mean to you?

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