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Official Ladder Rules Now In Effect: 2017-12-07 04:11:26

FiveStarGeneral
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Hi I just started playing ladder recently and I personally found it really frustrating when my opponents would make a bunch of moves in one same day and then suddenly need to take 2 days 20+ hours after something bad happens. What irks me even more is that over those 3 day periods, they will start and end entire games that are 10-20 moves long while completely ignoring mine, though I have not been unfortunate enough yet (I think) to encounter what Mr. Nauzhror posted.

I don't know if this is possible or even a good idea, but I was wondering if there could perhaps be a way to make players play a move in all of the games where they have moves pending before they can play a move once more in another game. For example, let's say I have games A, B, C and make a move in A and B. Then, my opponents also move in A and B and so it is my turn again in A and B. However, I haven't moved in C yet so I can't submit my next move in A and B until I move in C.

(Sorry if this idea is scrub af lol)

Edited 12/7/2017 04:11:52
Official Ladder Rules Now In Effect: 2017-12-07 04:24:36


l4v.r0v 
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@FiveStarGeneral: What you're describing is what some would term "stalling" (the longer they can delay their loss to you, the higher their peak rating gets- so people do this a lot). Like you can see in the parent post, it's a bit of a controversial topic that people couldn't agree on how to deal with.
Official Ladder Rules Now In Effect: 2017-12-07 04:35:44


[REGL] Pooh 
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Can we get these put somewhere other than the forum?
Official Ladder Rules Now In Effect: 2017-12-07 04:35:54

FiveStarGeneral
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Yeah I know I just tried to come up with an idea that I thought might prevent stalling without relying on judges or something and wouldn't decrease the max allowed time. I don't know if it's even possible though :/. Probably would have to involve some tweaks to the interface and I have no clue what kind of work that would entail.
Official Ladder Rules Now In Effect: 2017-12-07 06:08:36


KKND
Level 60
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Can we get this from Fizzer? And it will be official
Official Ladder Rules Now In Effect: 2017-12-07 08:37:29


Min34 
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Good to see the the rules are finally here. :D

Since the community isn't able to agree on what constitutes stalling, there won't be any enforcement of rules against stalling.

Shame to hear this. Really wish that you could've decided on some rules against stalling. To me it seemed that a large part of the community did agree? I could be wrong though. In the end not everybody has to agree with a rule (Im certain all the other rules have players who dont agree with them).



In addition, each season of the Seasonal Ladder will be extended from 60 days to 75 days since the next season rarely starts immediately, in order to cut down on force-finishes unless there are reasonable objections.

Will that come with the promise that the new season now will start right after the previous one has finished?



how could i know that what Beren wrote is a real thing. I could create new thread and edit wiki aswell.

Fizzer has already confirmed Beren is doing this with his permission, no?



And here we are again, what on earth means "end of a season"? Is it a 5-days, a week, 10 days, 2 weeks. One may consider everything suspicious. And now we come to conclusion that "violation will be punished with a suspension", but we will not tell if what is regarded as "end of a season".

For all we know Beren does have a precise number of days. It he does he might not want to make them public to avoid players trying to manipulate those to the max.



It is best to have no rules, rather than bad rules

Fortunately these are all perfectly fine.



Have not paid attention to forum, but it seems somehow people came to senses and realized there is no such thing as stalling. If game allows you to make a move within 3-days, than it is ones choice and right to do it when he chooses to.

No, thats not the case at all. Most people I've seen talking about this think its a shame nothing will be done about stalling. We realise that stalling might be difficult to determine, but that doesnt mean there is no such thing as stalling. You seem to be confusing abusing the system to gain unfair advantages with using the system as its meant to.
Official Ladder Rules Now In Effect: 2017-12-07 13:44:18

Nauzhror 
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"They both grinded autogames at a rate of 50+ games a day to play on the 1v1 ladder as soon as possible. The second account was made right after the first one got ranked on the 1v1 ladder because he wasn't happy with the rank he got the first time. They're the same flag, they have near identical winrates, same playstyle."

He's actually up to 4 accounts by now.

21 new! SL7APA 1993
53 new! KneelForZod 1839

Those are him too. He's simultaneously ranked 4 times.
Official Ladder Rules Now In Effect: 2017-12-07 16:14:31


Beren Erchamion 
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Can we get these put somewhere other than the forum?


They are also in the wiki. I've talked with Fizzer about getting them put on the ladder pages, but he's busy with the rollout of the new site for now.

Regarding stalling, I have an idea for how to combat it, but it needs some more testing before anything comes of it, and I didn't want to delay these other rules any longer.
Official Ladder Rules Now In Effect: 2017-12-07 16:44:00

Nauzhror 
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34 new! DarkLordRising 1907

My bad, he has 5 accounts ranked now.
Official Ladder Rules Now In Effect: 2017-12-07 16:45:23


Krzysztof 
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there could be special achievement like "Take 5 spots in TOP20 at the same time" :D

Edited 12/7/2017 16:46:11
Official Ladder Rules Now In Effect: 2017-12-07 20:07:09


ℳℛᐤƬrαńɋℰ✕
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@Min34

True and I have a reason for this. That is exactly what I deem to be blatantly wrong.
For all we know Beren does have a precise number of days. It he does he might not want to make them public to avoid players trying to manipulate those to the max.

You can take vacation any time you want, but now there is some mysterious X-number of days in the end of season where you just get all your games automatically forfeited. But we are smart enough not to tell you that... its not about statistics on how often one needs to take sudden vacation in face on seasonal end. Its just if you join seasonal ladder you know it lasts 75-days. Rules, by principle, ought to be clear, sound and public and so the rules when you might get punished. It just degenerates trust in the system, when one starts implementing hidden rules. It seems good way to avoid beneficial force-finishes, but it should be known to everyone.

No, thats not the case at all. Most people I've seen talking about this think its a shame nothing will be done about stalling. We realize that stalling might be difficult to determine, but that doesn't mean there is no such thing as stalling. You seem to be confusing abusing the system to gain unfair advantages with using the system as its meant to.

I am not confusing it. I know the issue. The problem is that people keep talking about stalling, that its all about when someone is committing orders 2d20+h on ladder, when the problem really lies on delaying ones loss. As long as there is no rule, that states one has lost in position/situation X, there is nothing wrong making your moves either on first or last hours.

@Nauzhror
I do not think it is nice to play like that, but as far as I see, it is acceptable. And its almost a year old game - are you coming across such games often? Is delaying loss really that popular?
If you look closely multiple delayed loss games you can see a pattern, a trait in orders. The most simple one is just build a stack in the furthest corner of map, move turn-by-turn just to get cards and make it hard to get eliminated. More advanced would be to use blockage trap corner. Now is that really hard to determine that this player clearly has lost and his moves do not benefit him anyway nearer to victory nor help him to balance his opponent. By making such moves he is hindering his own chance victory. -> I do not think delayed loss is so hard to determine in 1v1 Ladder settings - It is quite easy in the extreme cases (just 1-2 turn observation may reveal it). Why it is not dealt with is administration choice of not taking action. Probably the correct answer is, traffic is good for the site -> which stands true for most commercial platforms, whether game, forum, new-site or blog.
Official Ladder Rules Now In Effect: 2017-12-07 21:53:35


Sherlock Holmes
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Posting the rules on this page might be better and make these Official rules Official:
https://www.warzone.com/Ladders

Also, adding separate report option on the same page will be good if someone finds any violation on any of the ladder.
Official Ladder Rules Now In Effect: 2017-12-12 10:23:26


Kezzo
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how shall i report someone who violates this rules? Drunken Master MB is having 2 alts on RLT. And its no real secret that Drunken Master MB and Master MB is the same guy, he even says it himself on Master MB's profile.
Official Ladder Rules Now In Effect: 2017-12-13 08:11:00


SuperGamerz
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I've already reported it, but to no one's suprise, nothing has been done. Looks like these will turn into "suggestions" instead of rules. :/
Official Ladder Rules Now In Effect: 2017-12-13 08:16:56


master of desaster 
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Just because you don't see him suspended doesn't mean he got no warning. Also he didn't play the rtl in the last 2 days so he will be unranked tomorrow again. If he plays with both accounts again then you can start worrying.
Official Ladder Rules Now In Effect: 2017-12-13 09:13:36

Nauzhror 
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I reported the guy with 5 accounts ranked on the 1v1 ladder days ago.

4 of his accounts ave since left the ladder. None are suspended, but odds are he did at least get warned since 4 of them left the ladder.

Personally I wouldn't have given a warning for that though. I'd have just banned. He's played vs himself on the ladder close to a dozen times, and he'd played every game to try and make them look like real games even.
Official Ladder Rules Now In Effect: 2017-12-13 09:36:06


SuperGamerz
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That's xeno's doing nauz. He handed out an "official warning" and he left the ladder because of it.

I also reported DM a week ago, MoD.
Official Ladder Rules Now In Effect: 2017-12-13 10:34:01

daftpunk
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You're just jealous of his "Guns"
Official Ladder Rules Now In Effect: 2017-12-13 11:27:34

daftpunk
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Fizzer, could we possibly have a new trophy - 'Reported 100 Players' ?

Edited 12/13/2017 11:27:45
Official Ladder Rules Now In Effect: 2017-12-13 12:47:05


Toua Tokuchi
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So stall more and do alt runs, and live the Thug Life.
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