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Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2014-02-28 13:30:43


Addy the Dog 
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Let it die!!!!!! Sorry everyone, I didn't look at the date.


[shakes head] women. shouldn't be allowed to post on forums in my opinion.


I believe we are talking about radical feminists, Tori, not the regular kind. There's quite a difference (possibly).


Indeed, discord, there is a difference.


Emanly literally said "radical feminism is mainstream feminism". And he believes that radical feminism is the dominant mode of thought in our society and that radical feminists are powerful enough to be destroying society.

He says he hates radical feminism because he hates feminism because he hates women.

This is not only the worst thread ever, it's the worst thing that has ever happened in the history of humanity. And hellbender hasn't even posted here yet.
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2014-02-28 17:43:52

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@Zap: Didn't we already conclude that I was right and you were completely wrong? At least you said something like that ;)

Most of your post is just plain wrong, and you know it of course. Even though you think that no woman could be critical of feminism or radical feminism, I've showed you examples of that. Why would I, a woman, hate women? Now that would be like "a turkey voting for Christmas" [sic] It's you who thinks women are illogical, remember?

@Tori: I'll congratulate you for not advocating castration of people who disagree with you. You seem to have a lot more common sense than the poor Zap above. However, your argumentation is still not without fault, as I will show you:

[really, though? The feminists? Seriously? Do you think there are membership forms or something?]


Nobody was implying that you need a membership card for being a feminist, just as there is no such thing for being an egalitarian. However, there is a mainstream in every movement, and in the feminist movement, that mainstream is increasingly adopting the views of its more radical wing.

Feminism is defined in terms of equality; if someone believes that women should have more rights than men, that person is, by definition, not a feminist.


Obviously, different feminists have different views on what feminism is and isn't. Feminism also likes to market itself as an egalitarian movement to gain more acceptance. In practice, however, feminist lawmakers have pushed for laws that clearly favor women over men. Words and deeds are not coherent.

Rape legislation is a perfect example. In many countries, including the US and UK, rape nowadays has a reversed burden of proof, i.e. the male accused of raping the female is guilty until proven innocent. If it is found out that the man and the woman have had sexual intercourse, and the woman later on says she didn't like it, then the man is guilty of rape unless he can deliver proof that he did indeed not force the woman. How do you deliver such proof? Should you start filming every sexual act you have?

This reversed burden of proof is unique in (western) legislation. Normally, people are innocent until proven guilty, to prevent all kinds of arbitrariness and misuse of legislation.

What's more, rape is, at least in the US and UK, defined as a penis forcibly penetrating a vagina or other place, i.e. a woman cannot rape in the eyes of the law. So only a man can be guilty until proven innocent, never the other way around.

If this kind of legislation is passed in the UK and USA, then radical feminism is pretty much mainstream feminism, don't you agree? If you truly want equal rights for men and women, then you should consider calling yourself an egalitarian instead of a feminist, as in practice these two terms mean completely different things.

If you find yourself on the same team as someone who says that men are raped as often as women, it's time to take a step back and have a little think.


It's not just me saying it is that way. Even the CDC, Center for Disease Control and Prevention, has found this in their studies in 2010: http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf

Page 28: 1 270 000 occurrences of females being raped within the last 12 months. Page 29: 1 267 000 occurrences of males being raped ("made to penetrate") within the last 12 months.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_and_Prevention

The CDC is a US federal agency. I doubt Barack Obama and his administration are full of white male supremacists and rape apologists. Or do you disagree?
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2014-02-28 17:47:45

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Edited 2/28/2014 18:01:57
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2014-02-28 17:51:01

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Edited 2/28/2014 17:59:51
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2014-02-28 18:52:59


Addy the Dog 
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Why would I, a woman, hate women? Now that would be like "a turkey voting for Christmas" [sic]


That was my exact point. And you don't even understand what sic means.

As for why you, a man, hate women? I don't know, mummy issues, being brought up in a misogynistic culture, being a sad lonely neckbeard who has been rejected by every girl you've ever met. Maybe all 3. If you'd like to discuss your issues more, then feel free, I would be glad to help you come to terms with your misogyny.

Didn't we already conclude that I was right and you were completely wrong? At least you said something like that ;)


I think you'll find it was you who said that you were wrong and I was completely right. Look it up if you don't believe me: Posts #38, #46, #62 and #79.

If you find yourself on the same team as someone who says that men are raped as often as women, it's time to take a step back and have a little think.


Look, Hauptmann, Lawlz, this is what women who aren't men pretending to be women sound like.
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2014-02-28 19:06:10


UnlimitedLawlz
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I think Zap made an alt, and it's Tori. At the same time Tori brings the topic back up, here comes Zap, completely agreeing.
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2014-02-28 19:08:46


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[For the purposes of this post I will pretend that Emanly is female and I am an anti-feminist]

Does anyone else in this anti-male matriarchy find it offensive that a WOMAN feels the need to explain all our problems to us men?

It's like, we ARE men. We know the problems that are going on in our own lives. We know what it's like to live in the grip of oppressive radically mainstream feminism. We don't need her womansplaining things. It's so arrogant: she is part of the dominant gender and thinks that, because females perform better in the education system than boys, we are just too STUPID to understand what's happening to us. The poor little baby men can't fight for themselves. Well I got news for ya, lady: WE CAN! WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' WOMAN TO FIGHT FOR US!!! I'M SICK OF YOUR G-D WOMANSPLANATIONS!!!!!

BOY POWER!
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2014-02-28 19:26:48


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I think Zap made an alt, and it's Tori. At the same time Tori brings the topic back up, here comes Zap, completely agreeing.


Yeah I got in a time machine, went to November and made an alt. I named her after Tori Amos.

I used words like "simplicter" and awkward editorial brackets in a 7-word quote to make an additional, separate point. I treated Emanly as worthy of debate, rather than as a zoo creature to be prodded for my own amusement, as I have in all my posts. That way nobody would be able to tell it was me.

The perfect crime. And I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you meddling kids and your ugly neckbeard.
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2014-02-28 19:55:40


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TRIGGER WARNING

I don't want to alarm anybody, but I just performed a bing images (shut up) search for "boy power". What I found shocked me to my very core.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/roundtw9.jpg

This image shows that the radically mainstream feminist scourge has made in-roads into space-misandry. The erosion of men's rights is now no longer limited to this crazy blue-green oblate spheroid we call earth.

Naturally this incident is portrayed positively by the radically mainstream feminist media. Imagine if superwoman was punched in the tit by batman, in space? Then, the LAMEstream neo-communist media down in Weirdo-wood would be outraged.

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5489487360/hE6B8FE0E/

What makes it even worse is that woman-on-man violence is considered "amusing" or "funny" by society in general. This is because men are considered simply worthless in our society.

As a postscript I would like to point out that if the woman in the picture has a vagina in her knee, he may have been raped. According to the CDC, 7 men were knee-raped in 2006, compared to 5 women. Now do you believe us when Emily and I say that men are raped more than women?
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2014-02-28 20:18:13

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Shut up, Emily, don't fucking engage with me. Go get 'made to penetrate' someone with your flaccid or otherwise cock, then go get raped. Compare the two experiences and report back. Prick.
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2014-02-28 20:29:19


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^ the only person on forums I've ever called a bitch and will stand by it. You have such utter disrespect. At least Zap argues his stance, you just insult.
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2014-02-28 20:48:33

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Such utter disrespect

That's right.
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2014-02-28 21:37:12

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@Tori:

Shut up, Emily, don't fucking engage with me. Go get 'made to penetrate' someone with your flaccid or otherwise cock, then go get raped. Compare the two experiences and report back. Prick.


Are you sure you want equality? I don't have the personal experience needed to compare the two kinds of rape, but you certainly have neither. Without better knowledge, you just say that women being raped is horrible (according to feminist theory, raping a woman is worse than murdering her), and at the same time, you have utter disrespect for men who are victims of rape.

I don't see any relevant difference in seriousness of a man or a woman being raped. It happens a bit differently, but the end result is forcing to sex against one's will is still the result. In some cases, the boy being raped has even been forced to pay alimony to the woman who raped him.

Please inform me as to why you think raping a woman is worse than raping a man.

Also, do you find it good that in the current legislation, rape (of women) has the burden of proof reversed?

@Zap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA

What do you see here? Do you see a sad, misogynistic neckbeard guy who has never had relevant contact with the opposite sex? I, in any case, see a woman who is happily married and has children (according to herself), a woman that does not hate women, and who still strongly opposes feminism. She also explains why.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdKhLfyYYGo&list=TLJxu5ae8sbqMgdqrFXGuMY-_d6eTLPedb

Here, I see two men and one woman talking about problems that are related to mainstream (radical) feminism. You probably see two men and an alien from outer space, as you have clearly stated that no "real" woman would ever say a single critical word about feminism.

Apart from this ad hom and a few straw men, did you actually have something to say? :D
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2014-02-28 21:37:42


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Tori, PM me? :)

Really though, massive, massive respect to your disrespect. Such passion. Love it.
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2014-02-28 21:49:41


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Apart from this ad hom and a few straw men, did you actually have something to say? :D


Yes. You don't understand what straw man means. Even though every single one of your responses to me has been a straw man argument, and in the most transparent way I have ever seen. In fact you are doing it in that very quote.

Also, it isn't possible for me to make ad hominem arguments, since I'm not arguing with you, I'm making fun of you.

I don't see any relevant difference in seriousness of a man or a woman being raped. It happens a bit differently, but the end result is forcing to sex against one's will is still the result.


There's no difference between crucifying somebody and turning off a life support machine while a person sleeps. The end result is forcing to death against one's will is still the result.

Edited 2/28/2014 21:52:37
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2014-02-28 22:07:37

Tori
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You have utter disrespect for men who are victims of rape...Please inform me as to why you think raping a woman is worse than raping a man.

And you accuse someone else of building strawmen?
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2014-02-28 22:16:40


UnlimitedLawlz
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You still didn't answer her. Dodging the question?
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2014-02-28 22:46:27


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I'm sure M can defend theirself just fine. Are you in lawlz, lawlz?
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2014-03-01 00:45:27


Daisuke Jigen
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What happened here?
Radical Feminism And What I Think About It: 2014-03-01 01:32:29

Emily
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@Tori:

And you accuse someone else of building strawmen?


You think it's disgusting to say that men are being raped as often as women. When I provide you with proof, you say it's ridiculous to compare men and women being raped, as women being raped is so much more severe. You fail to give any explanation as to why this is. It's not unfair to say that you utterly disrespect male rape victims.

So you don't want to comment on my above questions? I'm not surprised...

@Zap: Well don't argue but troll if you feel like it :)
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