where u start ? cause south russia is good but i preffer go khanate and transilvania from there.

North russia isnt so hot cause its weak against sweden and there s norway too.

big problem u need some turns to get the central part....

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=2506368

im trying to abuse the "3 territory +2 income" bonus (as brandeburg and scotland).

they quite good.

here i won 2vs1 : http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=3043165

yes, orange strategy was ugly.... still 2vs1

here i could hold for 11 turns both opponents (infact after 11 turn, my income and their combined income was the same, 12)
http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=3044632

here i could slow 2 guy and help my teammate lala but you can't trust a REGL so we lost in the end. still the little bonus rocked
http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=3044744


i was kiddin about regl, huh

You need about 10 turns to take Russia, but when you do,nothing can stop you.

I ussually go in this order with five picks

2 in ireland
1 in scotland
1 in iceland
1 southern england to trap anyone who picked ib england so they surrender quickly which usually works

Hmm... I like this thread. Never been that good on Europe 1600 but I know at least the basics.

@Paul: Not True. Russia may be a big force to contend with ONCE YOU HAVE IT but if your estimation is correct- which varies greatly on a.) the luck you have in taking territories or b.) the luck in general (changed from the default 75% to whatever)- then a lot can happen in 10 turns. Your teammates might be pushed to the brink of elimination. There might be even a bigger player (in Sweden/Norway) that might have the decency to at least let you take Russia but they can crush you easily because of their large income early on that you did not have previously.

And that's even assuming they let you take Russia. I for one believe in having a small outpost in Russia just in case someone tries to take it. I think it would have been a more excellent starting position had Central/North Russia been downsized into smaller, more easier to take bonuses.

But usually, the way I see it is that 75% Russia wins becuase of
A.) The person in Sweden/Finland has to contend with competition in the North
B.) North is divided between two teammates, therefore there is less income per player
C.) No one simply expects giù coming. Russia looks impossible to take for some players (I have found through excessive team chat and experience) and when they do find out it is too late.
D.) Probably the biggest reason- Person in North (Sweden/Norway) DOES NOT EXPAND EFFICIENTLY. Many players refuse to expand into Sweden becuase it is inefficient to take. Likewise so is Russia, but I think for its bonus, Sweden could have been more efficient to take over.

@Hellbender: Ireland is not an ideal place to start. The territory that is part of England that connects to Ireland (I forgot its name) can connect to All three of Ireland's territories. Judging from your picks I would say you would be going there, and Ireland is massively hard to defend because of the fact that it connects to two of the most common territories on the map - Scotland and England. Scotland is a good choice, especially the top territory that connects it with Norway/Iceland. As for the territory in Southern England---why? It is not anywhere remotely useful, and maybe there might be no one in England, which would make that territory useless to have. Better start in Northern England so that if there is no one in England/Scotland you can take it more efficiently.

With your picks I'd expect you to be playing scout though...

In a 3v3, each player with 4, i like the following:
Each Player puts as their number 1: Iceland, North Scotland (the Highlands?) and NW Ireland (Connagut?).

The player with Iceland then spreads two picks throughthe rest of denmark, ideally spread very far out. Finally, a Counter Pick in Center (Italy is good, as well as Germany)

The Player with Scotland also picks South Scotland and South England and a center counter pick. Giving quick access to the Scotland +2 bonus and allowing England to be filled quickly.

The Player in Ireland puts 2 in South Russia and 1 in North Russia bordering Denmark.

Here, you have 3 players in the important area... England/Denmark. The Russia Player will fill out Ireland and South Russia quickly, and being spread North/South in Russia, can fill that out fairly quickly. What's key about ireland is that it gives the russia guy a protected bonus and it doesn't interfere with the england super bonus.

The England/Denmark Players can keep their counter picks still in the center untill they secure their main bonuses.

my picks rely heavily on luck my secondary picks are usually in Spain and a bonus or two in broken Germany but Ireland is a good bonus to start with because its easy to get and one i control it if there is someone in England i have that game opening bonus of one extra army that can mean everything to win the match. Also if your lucky there's nobody there and you can take the entire bonus i also usually get one of my team mates to take over Norway in his picks so i am safe in the north and he is safe in the south.
that is my strategy because it is then easy to take over France and German kingdoms along with eventually Austria.

see here is the deployment of my strategy

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=3628492

We could all learn so much from you, Hell bender.

since were on the internet could you please tell me the tone of that comment because i get the feeling your very sarcastic

Hellbender, the only bonus in Spain worth taking is Portugal, and chances are there is already an opponent there. I would suggest backups in the small German Areas whih have a higher priority than in Spain. The Italian states are good too, and you should probably have at least one teammate there.

I cannot see why you think Ireland is good, because it is nearly impossible to defend it. Better use those two picks in Iceland and in another area other than the north (e.g. Germany or Italy).

Your Picks could go as follows:
1.) Scotland
2.) Iceland
3.) Norway/England
4.) Italy/Germany
5.) Back-ups


my picks rely heavily on luck [...]

All picks rely on luck (at least if your enemy is in your territory) but relying HEAVILY on lucky picks never works. You should find a strategy that works for you most of the time (because you probably can't get lucky all the time) and therefore you will be able to not rely too much on lucky picks.

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Also, the reason Melancholia (or X) hates you so much is because you are a more successful troll than he is. That's the reason for his post. You don't need to ask him.

Yeah, except neither of us are trolls.

Troll =/= someone you dont like on the internet.

i get where your coming from but i think ireland is easily defended if your so scared then you also include the english territory in ireland and one other irish terriory instead then you make the same pick i winn most of those games tht way

@Yuri Sincerely,the main reason you won is that you opponents' picks were horrible..Spain is just not worth the effort and the Ottoman Empire is in 95% of cases not conquered. Austria was a pretty good pick, but very risky and needs a close(geographically speaking) ally.
What if your opponents chose also Scotland/England?It's a very popular pick. Then the region would be partitioned and it would be up to the team whose third person has the better picks.
Really, this map is 80% picks and 20% skill.

"Troll: In Internet slang, a Troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community such as a forum, chat room, or blog worth the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response, or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussions."
-Source Wikipedia


But since Wikipedia sometimes may be flawed, I have found another source:

"Troll: [To] Submit a deliberately provocative posting to an online message board with the aim of inviting an angry response."
-Source OxfordDictionaries
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Hellbender, I am unsure what you mean.

First of all those definitions are semantically identical, only the Wikipedia one is more detailed ... and says 'worth' instead of 'with'.

1. Inflammatory, extraneous or off-topic messages

2. Aim of inviting an angry response

Neither of us do either of those, dummy. You've proved you can copy/paste dictionary entries, why don't you try reading them first?

no im not responding to the troll comments im not a troll im on topic, and what about what i said dont you get?

Melancholia, you just successfully proved my point. Congratulations. How about next time you actually try reading what you write?

Hellbender: The part about an "English territory in Ireland" does not make sense. I do not know what you are referring to: picks or Goethe map should be changed to accustom to your suggestion. That's what I don't understand.

in the map 1600 europe the territory called meath is owned by an enlgish bonus