@uberelite

im quite confident that mod´s threshold for being a good player is above wally

I miss gui and Dead Piggy.

I don't think it is Njord, I think he's intentionally trying to come across as a dick.
I don't think it's useful to suggest that player titles break down like this:

Elite: 5 people
Great: 10 more people
Good: 20 more people
Bad: Everyone outside the top 35.

I'm by no means a Wally fanboy, but if he's top 500 out of 100,000 or more, that's definitely what should objectively be considered good.

Season XXXI Won by Buns157 Started on 12/9/2017
Season XXX Won by Rento Started on 9/3/2017
Season XXIX Won by Master of the Dead Started on 6/16/2017
Season XXVIII Won by Master of the Dead Started on 3/13/2017
Season XXVII Won by master of desaster Started on 1/9/2017
Season XXVI Won by USA Biches Started on 11/2/2016
Season XXV Won by timon92 Started on 8/15/2016

I like how Wally suggests those guys were the best in 2013, and not now.

The people mentioned here won 5 of the last 7 seasons.

Only Timinator doesn't have a recent season win.

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im quite confident that mod´s threshold for being a good player is above wally

By definition. Lots of haters say that about me.

When I was a noob, they could claim the threshold was top 20%, of which I didn't seem to be a member.

Then as I've gotten progressively better, the goalposts keeps shifting.

Now more than 99% of the site is 'not good' as no credible claim I'm not in the top 1% could be made.

well i know mod, and i truly believe that he is saying is the truth..... perhaps you think that what he consider to be a good player is to narrow, but then again we dont have a official definition of what a good player is(for obvious reasons)...... now what i find interesting in all of this, is how poorly this hole thing is thought out by wally. either he does believe it and he is stupid, or he is trolling, and doing it so poorly that he is well stupid

Playing qm a lot gives you an advantage to a certain point. Once you exceed that and you lose almost 10 points to anyone if you lose, no matter the rating, it's kinda hard to keep up. You should play again and try it out. Qm is a lot of fun currently. Great competition there unlike ladders.

Edit: about what i call good, it depends on someones game mechanics unnderstanding. Looking at the questions wally asked even after he got first on a ladder i feel confident saying he's not good in my eyes

Edited 2/25/2018 22:13:58

"I'm by no means a Wally fanboy, but if he's top 500 out of 100,000 or more, that's definitely what should objectively be considered good."

its an objective truth..... ok i will try to find it under my bed then or prehaps infer it from logic or math, i will get back to you on this......



btw the hole strat community is the top 1%

Edited 2/25/2018 22:13:59

Love or hate the 1v1 ladder, but if you can maintain a top 10 position on that ladder for an extended period of time, you are objectively a "good" player. That's of course not enough to elevate you into the conversation for the best 5 players in Warlight, but to say Wally isn't a good player is silly.

However, we all know Buns157 is overrated. He doesn't even have a 3v3 ladder trophy...

Looking at the questions wally asked

And this is the dead giveaway that both you and buns are not as good as your reputation implies.

You each insult me for asking questions. That is how one improves. If you're no longer asking questions, you're no longer improving.

Yes, there are gaps in my knowledge and fundamentals. Just as there are gaps in yours. The difference is I have the humility to be aware of that and fix them. You seem to think you know everything already.

Yeah i think i know pretty much everything about how to play. You should play qm as well btw. You can also disable everything except the 1vs1 ladder template if it gets too hard otherwise.

And i'm not insulting you for asking questions at all. I'm saying you're much worse than you see yourself

Edited 2/25/2018 22:26:05

i get the felling that this is a language barrier thing.

Edited 2/25/2018 22:27:20

A good player on the 1v1 ladder template perhaps..

Good player in general? I know many players who suck at everything that isn't the 1v1 ladder. Are they considered good players?

Make your own mind up on that one.. Otherwise the whole "good player" thing is just subjective/personal opinion. Being in the top 9k of players out of 18k players is "good" in quickmatch.

If Warlght were the NBA:

LeBron James and Steph Curry would be good.

Kevin Durant would be 'not good' because people don't like him.

And then by definition, every other basketball player in the world is also 'not good'

i get the felling that you dont understand what by definition means

it seems like the english speaking players put good as opposed to not good. i dont and i dont think a german speaker would either

Do we really have the evidence to suggest that players from 2013 "haven't kept up with the times"? It could be the case that Warzone's top players as a whole haven't actually improved all that much (>100 points) between 2013 and now.

In the NBA, most people take it for granted that the 2018 All-Star team would triumph over the 1998 All-Star team- and that's probably true, since American basketball as a sport has evolved significantly since 1998. Ditto for baseball and football.

But is that true for Warzone between 2013 and now? It's hard to measure precisely since you can't easily compare Elo ratings from now vs. Elo ratings from 5 years ago (against completely different player pools for the most part). But if you have a fixed point of reference- a player who hasn't changed much between 2013 and now- then you actually can just compare these players based on how much better they were than this frame of reference. If you believe (like I do) that Blowfly hasn't gotten much better or worse since... forever, then we might actually have that frame of reference.

szeweningen's ladder rating peaked at 2216 (1st rank ofc) on December 10, 2012. Blowfly's rating around that time was 1090. That's a difference of 1126. kicorse's rating today is 2309. Blowfly's at 1188; that's a difference of 1121. If you use Blowfly to adjust for changes in ladder participation and skill levels, then szeweningen and kicorse aren't all that far apart in terms of actual skill- just a 5 point difference between the two.

I'm aware that strategic gameplay has- at least in terms of tactics- evolved significantly between 2012 and today. But maybe that hasn't really amounted to all that much in terms of actual skill separation.

I'm also kind of surprised that such an evolution hasn't led to increased separation from Blowfly- although it could be the case that Blowfly has been getting better. If we assume that, due to the sheer size of the playerbase as a whole relative to the strategic community, the average player on these ladders hasn't gotten much better, then that would still leave kicorse at just 93 points better than sze if you assume that the Elo ratings on the ladder are accurate. If they aren't all that accurate and actually do get inflated/deflated (depending on which side of average you're on) as the playerbase grows, well- the ladder in late 2012 had ~200 players and now there's ~324. Adjust for this size (with the inflation assumption) and you have sze's new rating at 2660 (probably super-inflated) and he's actually significantly better than kicorse.

I just can't find any sort of empirical evidence that the best players of 2013 wouldn't be competitive now on the formats that they were good at back in 2013. Sze is probably still gonna be a beast at Strat ME and I suspect that he'd probably actually reliably beat kicorse.

Edited 2/25/2018 22:43:29

eah i think i know pretty much everything about how to play.

you're much worse than you see yourself

lol

You're playing a game against humans, with a near-infinite number of possible games, and you think you've solved it. Yet you're telling me I'm much worse than I see myself. That's just. wow.

Sorry to break the news to you, but if you're the best player to ever play this game, you know maybe half of what there is to know.

ok, we found out now...... your not super bright

If Warlight blew up and had millions of players -- in 10 years the very best players today would be awful if they did not improve. There is so much advanced strategy that could be developed, advanced tools that could be used.

And this dinosaur thinks he solved it already.

Amazing.

To infinity and beyond!