Clan League 10: Division A - Official Thread: 2018-09-05 11:34:05 |
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Clan League 10: Division A - Official Thread: 2018-09-05 11:34:08 |
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1v1 Strategic Greece
(5-1) Outlaws - Edge
(4-1) |GG| - MIFRAN
(4-2) M'Hunters - hobo
(2-2) Master Clan - Timinator
(2-3) ONE! - PJ
(2-4) Lynx - Timon92
(0-6) VS - Glam 'd Slam Islam
Games finished since last week:Timinator apex (Masters) defeats Timon92 (Lynx) https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=16264199The game everyone's been waiting for. These two are the giants upon whose shoulders we may one day stand. This promises to be climax of the tournament, the summit of strategy. The Zenith of Ze German or the heyday of timon's reign. Nah, just kidding, timon boots turn 1. Beren apex (ONE!) defeats INSIDE (VS) You gotta love Beren for his counter in Sporades. Beren and INSIDE start off by expanding vigorously. At the end of turn 2, they look like they're both going to be on 15 income. But, Beren does a 3v2 last move to counter Sporades and it works. Beren prepares to take the north by turn 4 and so he does. He outexpands INSIDE's rather limited expansion options, leaving INSIDE with the only option of stacking while Beren raises his own income. When INSIDE is facing a 23-income Beren, he sees his own 15 isn't going to be of much use anymore and he surrenders. Edge (Outlaws) defeats hobo (M'Hunters) https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=16123624Edge gets the income advantage fast here. On turn 2, Edge with 16 income is facing a 10-income hobo who's looking to complete Dodecanese, worth 5. He does so on turn 3, but gets smashed in Sporades. Pay the iron prince, they say. Next turn, Edge breaks him with a big boy stack, but hobo completes a 4-bonus, facing Edge's income. Then disaster strikes Edge. His 3-bonus gets broken but he fails to trade bonuses and is suddenly behind on income. He desperately tries to either break Macedonia or take over Sporades. For a few turns, he survives with his income deficit and takes over Evia. While hobo is trying to eliminate Edge from the north, Edge sneaks up through Sporades to Macedonia, breaking bonuses. He also takes a 4-bonus and now has the upper hand. The battle is going pretty even for the next ten or so turns. They break some, they take some; Edge constantly has a bit more income and that's what wins him the game in the long run. Along with some good predicts of course. 1v1 Pangea Ultima
(4-0) Lynx - Rento
(4-1) Master Clan - Rufus
(3-1) ONE! - Malakkan
(2-3) Outlaws - Facetroll
(2-4) M'Hunters - Emu Pub
(1-4) |GG| - JV
(1-4) VS - Rocky1
Games finished since last update:Rento (Lynx) defeats Malakkan (ONE!) https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=16144970Both players meet turn 1. Malakkan fails to eliminate Rento from Eastern US turn 2 and gets in a position where he faces elimination in Europe. Malakkan correctly predicts that he can eliminate Rento without deploy there now and tries to take another bonus. But, Rento knows. And when Rento knows, he stacks and unfortunately for Malakkan: he knows. 1v1 Battle Islands V
(4-1) Master Clan - Pardon99
(3-2) Outlaws - Krzysztof
(2-2) Lynx - Timon92
(2-2) M'Hunters - AI
(2-3) VS - Gibson
(1-2) |GG| - awesomeusername
(1-3) ONE! - FiveStarGeneral
Games finished since last update:Pardon99 (Masters) defeats Gibson (VS) https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=16305707Poor Gibson sees his 6-bonus countered by pardon, just as he was trying to complete it. After such disaster, he tries to expand elsewhere, but Pardon outexpands him every turn and Gibson has to surrender. FiveStarGeneral (ONE!) defeats Krzysztof (Outlaws) https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=16305709In what looked like an interesting and still open game, Krzysztof boots turn 4.
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Clan League 10: Division A - Official Thread: 2018-09-05 11:34:10 |
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Clan League 10: Division A - Official Thread: 2018-09-05 11:34:12 |
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3v3 Biomes of America
(3-0) |GG| - awesomeusername + fireice82 + linberson
(3-1) ONE! - Malakkan + Muli + Adreso
(2-0) Lynx - alexclusive + Octane + ZeroBlindDragon
(2-3) M'Hunters - Jo Jo + AyanM + hobo
(2-2) Master Clan - Timinator + Master Moto + Master Jaesar
(1-2) Outlaws - Facetroll + Edge + Platinum
(0-5) VS - johnmd20 + vicnus + Jef
Games finished since last update:Malakkan + Muli + Adreso (ONE!) defeat Jo Jo + AyanM + hobo (M'Hunters) https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=15891289An interesting board with few good picks on it. Emu's triplepick in the north is putting a lot of pressure on Muli and Adreso, but when hobo gets eliminated from Llanos turn 4, the triplepick gets broken too. M'Hunters decide to try a turn or two more, but then Jo Jo got booted. Not sure what happened after that. 3v3 Europe
(4-0) Master Clan - Deadman + Master Jz + Master Moto - ???
(3-0) Outlaws - Kezzo + Platinum + Odin
(3-1) |GG| - FlyingBender + MisterT + Po1onius
(2-3) Lynx - Dom365 + Juan + 90 \(ºº)/
(1-2) ONE! - Suschel + Muli + Beren
(1-4) M'Hunters - AI + Melethron + blobblob
(0-4) VS - DarrenDieHard + INSIDE + tobe
Games finished since last update:Deadman + Master Jz + Master Moto - ??? (Masters) defeat Dom365 + Juan + 90 \(ºº)/ (Lynx) https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=16193628I didn't think I'd see a game in division A where a team didn't mirror picks. 90 goes for a ftb on hungary as his 1,2 and 3 and gets it. The only thing i'll say is i really dislike this way of picking. Masters seem to dislike it as well, as they break hungary on turn 3. With Master Moto on 12 income and Juan countering an empty norway on turn 2, the game takes a turn for the worst for the Lynx team. And after Hungary gets broken, it's game over. Dom365 + Juan + 90 \(ºº)/ (Lynx) defeat DarrenDieHard + INSIDE + tobehttps://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=16023752VS focuses very much on the ftb in West Central Russia. Lynx focuses more on the position in center and islands, choosing to counter the Russia ftb. Lynx also gets a first turn austria. After 12 turns of brawling, Dom365 manages to eliminate Russia, 90 has succesfully broken Iceland and Juan has taken over Benelux and Switzerland. They now have a big income advantage and VS surrenders. Suschel + Muli + Beren (ONE!) defeat Dom365 + Octane + ZeroBlindDragon (Lynx) https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=15710507Another game where the Lynx team doesn't mirror. But they're at least closer this time. Suschel completes Norway, Beren completes Western Russia, giving the ONE! team the income lead. Suschel is setting up to take Austria and he does. ZeroBlindDragon tries to counter it but gets predicted. With ZeroBlindDragon having the income, but getting eliminated from center, the Lynx team has a real problem. Octane manages to break Western Russia, but Beren takes West Central Russia in the process. On turn 8, something bad happens for the Lynx team. While they have broken Norway, Octane gets eliminated from Russia, leaving Beren with 7 uncontested income. ZeroBlindDragon is expanding as fast as he can, stacking his way to the center, but it just isn't enough. When his Eastern Balkans gets broken on turn 12, it's over.
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Clan League 10: Division A - Official Thread: 2018-09-05 15:43:13 |
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Nice update, however: (1) You made a typo: Juan didnt play in EU against ONE. (2) Also, you might have missed it but you saw a previous game also when a non-mirror EU strategy was taken (lynx vs MH: https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=15873806) [that time the non-mirror team won], so these arent the first "non-mirrored" EU games we see this division. (the only reason for the comment in (2) is that I object to the propogation of the seemingly popular view that mirroring is the only good way to play EU. Dont get me wrong, mirroring is good, but there are other ways to play as well. The game against masters was not lost due to non-mirrored picks, but mainly due to our misjudgement in turn 2 in countering empty norway (and turn 3, obviously, but turn 2 was the bigger issue)) 90
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Clan League 10: Division A - Official Thread: 2018-09-05 16:09:47 |
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(1) You made a typo: Juan didnt play in EU against ONE. Fixed that. Thanks for mentioning. (2) Also, you might have missed it but you saw a previous game also when a non-mirror EU strategy was taken (lynx vs MH: https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=15873806) [that time the non-mirror team won], so these arent the first "non-mirrored" EU games we see this division. Very true. (the only reason for the comment in (2) is that I object to the propogation of the seemingly popular view that mirroring is the only good way to play EU. Dont get me wrong, mirroring is good, but there are other ways to play as well. Of course there are other ways of playing EU. I just think that mirroring is the best way. What the game you linked shows is M'Hunters mispicking and misplaying their game, not a triple-pick on greece or a first pick on czech paying off. Again, just my opinion.
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Clan League 10: Division A - Official Thread: 2018-09-07 08:38:55 |
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When I get two alts up to Level 54, I'm going to try out a modified mirror picking strategy on the 3v3 ladder, which is very different from splitting picks for combos, and also different from Norman's idea. (His idea is interesting and could occasionally be combined with mine - don't think it would come up often, though.)
The idea is to make soft attempts at avoiding unfavourable pairs for the same player and, more rarely, make soft attempts at combos.
An example is that it's usually bad for the same player to get both Switzerland and Benelux. Let's say that on a given board you rate Benelux at somewhere between 6 and 9, and Switzerland at somewhere between 13 and 18. One teammate might pick Benelux 6 and Switzerland 18, while the others pick Benelux 9 and Switzerland 13. Nothing is guaranteed, but it shifts the probabilities in your favour.
This will then have knock-on effects on pick-order for Austria, France etc. and even on other regions via the other picks that you moved up and down, so it will be complicated to implement (hence it has to be tried with alts or puppets first). I won't know whether it is worth it in practice until I've tried it, but I will make a post about it either way.
Although... we already do this sort of thing on 3v3 Biomes, in which you are usually forced to split high picks for combos. I'm sure other teams do it too. But I haven't seen anyone try it on templates on which mirror picking is the standard approach.
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Clan League 10: Division A - Official Thread: 2018-09-07 13:50:50 |
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if you need alts to run the ladder with it is pretty easy to find! I think I may have one you could borrow? I'd have to check
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Clan League 10: Division A - Official Thread: 2018-09-07 14:07:34 |
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Thanks guys but I have a thing about not sharing account details. Also it might break some rule. But a good player who is willing to be a puppet at the picking stage. That would be very welcome.
Edit: if so, pm me so as not to hijack the thread
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Clan League 10: Division A - Official Thread: 2018-09-13 09:14:18 |
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Update #10 - September 13th, 2018 I wanted to make an image for myself as an outlaw type. A kind of rock 'n' roll sensibility -Nicolas Cage 1v1 French Brawl (Finished) - Winner: Kezzo
(5-1) Outlaws - Kezzo
(5-1) ONE! - Beren
(4-2) Lynx - Wini
(3-3) VS - Nackickwind
(2-4) M'Hunters - Rogue NK
(2-4) Master Clan - Pardon99
(0-6) |GG| - Mikaela
1v1 Guiroma (Finished) - Winner: MisterT
(5-1) |GG| - MisterT
(5-1) Lynx - QuickSilver
(4-2) Master Clan - master of desaster
(3-3) M'Hunters - Emu Pub
(2-4) Outlaws - Krzysztof
(1-5) ONE! - Ipsimus
(1-6) VS - INSIDE
1v1 Elitist Africa - Winner: master of desaster
(5-1) Master Clan - master of desaster
(4-2) Lynx - Juan
(3-3) ONE! - Muli
(3-3) |GG| - fireice82
(2-4) M'Hunters - Cluster
(2-4) Outlaws - Carlos
(2-4) VS - Private Pabse
1v1 Strategic Greece - Winner: Edge
(5-1) Outlaws - Edge
(4-1) |GG| - MIFRAN
(4-2) M'Hunters - hobo
(2-2) Master Clan - Timinator
(2-3) ONE! - PJ
(2-4) Lynx - Timon92
(0-6) VS - Glam 'd Slam Islam
Games finished since last week:No games finished this week. 1v1 Battle Islands V - Winner: Pardon99
(5-1) Master Clan - Pardon99
(3-2) Outlaws - Krzysztof
(2-3) Lynx - Timon92
(2-3) VS - Gibson
(2-2) M'Hunters - AI
(1-2) |GG| - awesomeusername
(1-3) ONE! - FiveStarGeneral
Games finished since last week:Pardon99 (Masters) defeats timon92 (Lynx) 2 FTB's on the board and timon gets two picks in one of them. Only Pardon is next to him so he doesn't go for it. Pardon predicts that and goes for a +4 in two turns. That leaves timon to take his +3 and eliminate Pardon from his spot next to the FTB. In the south both players meet each other on the second turn as well; Pardon has a small stack advantage. Next turn both players stack in the south and timon moves to a double border on Pardon's income. This is where a great predict by Pardon comes into play: Pardon doesn't defend his income at all. Instead, he goes to eliminate timon in the southern +3. Timon stacks there, but not enough. What's even worse for timon, is that Pardon also takes over the +3. And timon flanks instead of breaking Pardon's income. Next turn timon needs to break Pardon and also has to stay alive in the South. This works out for timon, although his stack in the south is facing a much bigger one by pardon, they're at equal income. Pardon eliminates timon in the south on turn 6, but timon takes the +5 right under Pardon's nose. Sadly for timon, Pardon breaks it next turn and it's gg. A beautiful predict by Pardon on turn 4; I'd recommend watching the game. 1v1 Pangea Ultima - Winner: Rento
(5-0) Lynx - Rento
(4-1) ONE! - Malakkan
(4-2) Master Clan - Rufus
(2-3) Outlaws - Facetroll
(2-4) M'Hunters - Emu Pub
(1-4) |GG| - JV
(1-5) VS - Rocky1
Games finished since last week:malakkan (ONE!) defeats rocky1 (VS) https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=16285647Both players get their first three picks. They start expanding the first three turns, both risking some 3v2's on turn 3. They both fail one of them. On turn 4, malakkam blind-counters Southern Sahara and it pays off big time. rocky1 was just about to grab it. Turn 5, malakkan grabs a bonus which also gives him a double border on rocky. It's 18v12 income (advantage to malakkan) and positionwise, malakkan has it won. Rocky1 boots. Rento (Lynx) defeats Rufus (Masters) https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=16285645Masters versus Lynx games are going to be key in who gets that desired first place this season. Rento gets the early on income-advantage by going for a risky 2 turn 11. It succeeds though, and the payoff is big. Rento gets a lot of momentum going and on turn 4 it's 17 income for Rento versus 13 for Rufus. But, Rufus has taken a double border on Rento's income in South Africa and a double border on Australia. Rento gets broken in Australia, but predicts correct in South Africa, even taking the double border over from Rufus. Even when broken by Rufus, Rento still has 1 income more than him. On turn 7, Rento predicts correctly again. Rufus pressures Rento in Australia by threatening to take it over, but Rento manages to steal one territory back. Rufus tries flanking in Africa, but Rento predicts the flank and sends a small stack to it before Rufus can flank to it. On the next turn, Rufus takes over Australia but lets rento progress towards his bonus in South Amazon. He fails to eliminate Rento completely from East Asia, but holds a small income advantage now. It all seems in vain though. Over the last two turns, Rento breaks both of Rufus' bonuses and Rufus surrenders. A key game in the league and it was very nice to watch. Rento officially wins the tournament and is the last one to have a chance of going 6-0 in a 1v1 tournament. Congrats!
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Clan League 10: Division A - Official Thread: 2018-09-13 09:14:21 |
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2v2 FE - Winner: Edge + Kezzo
(5-1) Outlaws - Edge + Kezzo
(3-2) Master Clan - Deadman + Master Jz
(3-2) ONE! - Suschel + PJ
(3-2) Lynx - Rento + alexclusive
(3-2) M'Hunters - AI + Rogue NK
(1-5) |GG| - MIFRAN + Ko
(0-4) VS - Rocky1 + vicnus
Games finished since last week:alexclusive + Rento (Lynx) defeat Suchel + Memele (ONE!) https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=16215386After picks, alexclusive has a massive amount of safe income, while Rento is going to be caught up in a massive brawl. Memele gets a safe combo on Middle East and Suschel gets a rather safe East Canada. Rento initially gets Indonesia, but faces both Memele and Suschel who both have a bonus. Meanwhile, Suschel has taken East Canada and is able to push Rento out of Greenland. Rento gifts alexclusive in Africa to put some pressure on Suschel there and eliminates Suschel from Australia. He loses Indonesia tot Memele in the process though. Alexclusive storms through africa, eliminating Suschel from yet another spot. Memele (13 income) and Rento (5) are battling it out in Australia, but alexclusive is making his way to Canada and is stacking towards Middle East. As Memele is unable to eliminate Rento and alexclusive breaks both Middle East and East canada, the ONE! team remains on 9 income for both players, surrendering the game. Kezzo + Edge (Outlaws) defeat Deadman + Master Jzhttps://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=16215385After picks, Jz is looking at a game without income for her. Deadman gets a safe Greenland and a combo on Southern South America, but both Edge and Kezzo are present there. Edge is forced to go for East Africa, but Kezzo is there to help him against Jz. When deadman completes both Southern South America and Greenland, he eliminates Edge from South America; unfortunately Kezzo was waiting in Tahiti and grabs a double border on deadman. Jz gifts South Canada to Deadman and she gets eliminated there a turn later, while also being eliminated in Africa. She now only has two territories left on the board. She starts to run and Deadman lets Kezzo break Southern South America. Masters are now facing an income disadvantage but it's not over yet. Deadman predicts and takes back Southern South America and Jz tries to get some pressure on Kezzo by stacking to Hawai. But with Deadman and Jz eliminated from Canada and Africa, Kezzo and Edge can outexpand them. Deadman takes the whole of South America, but Kezzo and Edge both have borders on him. On turn 10, Edge breaks Deadman with a huge stack and it's gg. Kezzo + Edge (Outlaws) defeat MIFRAN + KoNonjoin by GG. GG With these two games Edge and Kezzo officially win the tournament. Well played Edge and Kezzo! Deadman + Master Jz (Masters) defeat vicnus + rocky1 (VS) https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=16043262Deadman and Jz get the whole of South America, which means very quick income for them. Rocky and vicnus have a free Russia and Australia, but get outexpanded. Then vicnus moves to Tahiti. He stacks there next turn, but Deadman transfers Jz. Jz also takes Middle East to increase their income advantage. Rocky blockades Tahiti and Jz blockades the entrance to Middle East. Deadman takes Greenland and the income advantage is only getting bigger for masters. At this point, the game is pretty much over. VS surrenders turn 10. 2v2 Szeurope
(3-0) Lynx - Juan + 90\(ºº)/
(3-2) |GG| - Mike |GG| + JV
(2-1) ONE! - FiveStarGeneral + Memele
(2-2) VS - Buns157 + Nackickwind
(1-2) Master Clan - Timinator + Xenophon
(1-2) M'Hunters - Digital + hobo
(0-3) Outlaws - Odin + Platinum
Games finished since last week:No games finished this week. 2v2 Volcano Islands
(3-0) Master Clan - master of desaster + Xenophon
(3-1) M'Hunters - Cluster + Digital
(2-1) Lynx - Player
(2-2) ONE! - Ispimus + FiveStarGeneral
(2-2) VS - Steve1513 + DemHunt
(2-3) Outlaws - Platinum + aoc
(0-5) |GG| - EZPickens + Ko
Games finished since last week:Platinum + aoc (Outlaws) defeat EZPickens + Ko (GG) Nonjoin by GG again. 3v3 Biomes of America
(3-0) |GG| - awesomeusername + fireice82 + linberson
(3-1) ONE! - Malakkan + Muli + Adreso
(2-0) Lynx - alexclusive + Octane + ZeroBlindDragon
(2-2) Master Clan - Timinator + Master Moto + Master
(2-3) M'Hunters - Jo Jo + AyanM + hoboJaesar
(1-2) Outlaws - Facetroll + Edge + Platinum
(0-5) VS - johnmd20 + vicnus + Jef
Games finished since last week:No games finished since last week 3v3 Europe
(4-0) Master Clan - Deadman + Master Jz + Master Moto - ???
(3-0) Outlaws - Kezzo + Platinum + Odin
(3-1) |GG| - FlyingBender + MisterT + Po1onius
(2-3) Lynx - Dom365 + Juan + 90 \(ºº)/
(1-4) M'Hunters - AI + Melethron + blobblob
(1-2) ONE! - Suschel + Muli + Beren
(0-4) VS - DarrenDieHard + INSIDE + tobe
Games finished since last week:No games finished since last week.
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Clan League 10: Division A - Official Thread: 2018-09-13 09:14:24 |
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The standings after this week are as follows:
- Outlaws have an amazing week, winning 3 2v2's and losing absolutely nothing. They've pushed themselves 9 points above ONE!, increasing their chances of a podium spot. They go 3-0 this week, netting them 12 points and losing 0 max points.
- Lynx also has a good week. They win a 2v2 and a 1v1, while they lose only a 1v1. They're still in second place, but they're very close to Masters. They're 6 points behind them, but they also have one more game remaining. In terms of Max Points, they are behind by only 1. They go 2-1, resulting in gaining 7 points and losing 3 max points
- Masters go even this week. They win a 1v1 and a 2v2. they lose a 1v1 and a 2v2. That being said, they're still in first place. They go 2-2 resulting in gaining 7 points and losing 7 max points.
- M'Hunters don't complete any games this week.
- ONE! goes negative in terms of points. They win a 1v1 but lose a 2v2. They are 9 points behind outlaws, but keep in mind that ONE! also has the most games remaining. They will be the challengers for the last podium spot, it looks like. They go 1-1, resulting in gaining 3 points, but losing 4 max points.
- VS loses two games. They're officially last after this week. They go 0-2 losing 7 max points.
- GG loses two games by not joining; officially the easiest way to get yourself in that relegation battle. Their total points are on par with M'Hunters, but their max points are still a bit higher. If they continue like this though, they'll be the ones relegating.
So we have a battle going on for the first place, a battle going on for the last podium spot and a battle going on for the last relegation spot. It's turning out to be a very interesting end-season. Thanks for reading and buy my new book "GOATs: how to transcend losing".
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Clan League 10: Division A - Official Thread: 2018-09-13 11:01:56 |
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Thanks for the update! Well done!
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