Yes. I do believe Pulsey had average skill as a factor as well. The fact that a clan of 50 people has 6 very good players, who can compete with some of the top players, doesn't make the clan anywhere near as good in terms of skill as a clan of 25 players, from which any random 6 clanmates can compete with any near-top-but-not-quite-there-yet team. Imho the latter even if unable to win with strictly top players, should be regarded as stronger because of the general level they represent.

However there are clans on the list which i would move up or down one group. But other than those small tweaks, the list is very near to reality.

Someone needs to step up and call out another player's skills.

Come on then Gui! Stop pussying around and fight me like a man (a sad man who likes to sit behind a computer or sometimes venture outside...to visit another sad man who likes to sit behind a computer). Will you play me?

Hell bender has pulled an ironheart and become a cool poster./

Pssh when was i ever an uncool poster,oh well i will take the compliment.Heck it's named after me.At least say who is in this list of cool posters.

I also agree with this list not hat pulsey will care of my approval.

I agree Vitrix Mortalis is a very bad clan since i was over thrown it was fun when i was leader but now a tyrant rules it and its un fun

Vitrix was a bad idea ..... but listen to me Arminius killed a fun clan so Arminius is worse than me ..... also lawlz tbh you bring all this hate upon yourself

Hear the words of wisdom, Pulsey shalt answer your enquiries.

EAGLE: I'm afraid that I took average skill factor into onsideration. Yes, REGL has good players, hedja hennns nich, but I'v seen mass recruitment lately and the average quality of these players have been very low. A clan has to be judged at the whole. if i was rating CS alone, i'd place it higher.

RIYAMITE: corp is bad because three of their members, Prometheus, Churcill and Lawlz put on a huge show on the forum.

APOLLO: I placed you in that category because like REGL, the skill range is 101st is huge. The reason why I placed you in a group above REGL however, is because the top players in 101st are better than the top playuers in REGL, (JSA, Dom and Unreality have all reached #1 on a ladder), if it makes you feel happier, i'd put Lynx itself in 'skill clans' section.

MASTER DESASTER: Compared to the clans above you, you guys have little ladder success.. Correct me if i'm wrong, but the only impressive feats I'v seen are Miyagi and TWM achieving top 10 in 1v1 ladder. Whereas XCD has 2 players finish top 10 and 2 players finish top 5 in 2v2 ladder, alslso along with the fact you lost to 101st in the clan league.

BANANA: The factors i used to measure are 1)ladder success 2)average skill. Apart from Falco, who Blitz recruited very recently, you guys have NO LADDER SUCCESS. I dont ever recall seeing anyone from Blitz in top 10 in any ladder, save Falco, who people even suspect is my alt. Compared to XS, Masters and XCD, your lack of clan success means you're out of their league. And as for average skill, well you can tell which clan is better without my help ;).

Edited 3/3/2014 23:47:21

ok^ :P

BRAIN: we have exii, garrett and falco in top 50 + jefferspin who will be as soon as he gets a rank, since he has high rating + qaqa and wakanarai who had 19th as best in ladder but dont play it now.

and xcd has... 1 guy top 50..

and xs has... 1 guy top 50..

yeeeeah i see your point brain -.-

Um, if we want to rank clans by skill level, isn't that what the clan league is for?

And banana, I'm not saying you should be a tier below us, since, you know personal rankings are less meaningful than actual competition (hence the league), but top 50 is a rather arbitrary metric. Especially since Garrett is 48th and Exii is 50th, while we have Lukasinho at 51. :)

is someone talking about top 50? LOL
boasting about your players being in the top 50 is absolutely pathetic. You dont even get ladder points for being ranked 50th. the way you keep trying to boast is hilarious, banana!

not to mention your clan is third in our clan league, behind XCD and French. You guys are in the shittiest group and yet you wont be getting promoted. what do you say about that?

Edited 3/4/2014 15:15:15

it'd be awesome if you could rank all the clans on wl (yup, all 71) :)

personally I feel REGL is around the same skill level as VIW, though I could be biased :p

Traianus Rex - As for clan league - theoretically a clan with top 6 players, and 125 complete noobs would be able to take top spot. It all depends on how you create your lineup - the clan league system might be gamed, at least to some extent and even if it is not, it still ranks the lineups each clan makes, while the ranking Pulsey did here tries to look at the clans from a broader perspective - Looking at average skill of members, not only how good the best possible lineup from each clan is.

Banana - I must agree with Pulsey here - bragging about having some players from 1v1 ladder's top 50 is not the way to go.. :/ Maybe finding some strategic tournaments where you achieved much instead of sticking to a ladder where you obviously have not done to well would improve your clans image..

Clan league also hasn't put [20] against the other A league members because they did not join until this season. So while it sorts many things out, it isn't perfect either. We happen to use all members, but some clans do not (as Fridge said).

I think is pretty hard definite which is best clan.
But i think atm, 3 are better then any other: WG WM 20. And one of them is going to lose his power IMHO.
I don't included apex bc they lost too many members and buy some new not great as other.

Edited 3/4/2014 16:21:04

1) fridge and brain: i didnt mean it as bragging, i just said it to prove that we have better success than two clans that brain said had better success than us. no offence to xs. (reason below)

"BANANA: The factors i used to measure are 1)ladder success 2)average skill. Apart from Falco, who Blitz recruited very recently, you guys have NO LADDER SUCCESS." -brain

2) "And as for average skill, well you can tell which clan is better without my help ;). " -brain

Yes i can.

3) btw we have more skilled players now than last season, and still we beat you in the 1v1s last season, brain. :)

Edited 3/4/2014 16:41:32

I guess what I mean is that it's not too hard to figure out which are the top few clans, but when you start talking about the 9th or 10th best clans it ends up just devolving to people's opinions. It's harder to build conclusive cases at that point, kind of like BCS rankings in college football.

And obviously I'm not saying that 20 is a third league level clan, but it seems the clan league is in a bit of a transitory phase right now since so many clans just joined for this past season.

If your ranking your players on the basis of the ladder, the 101st (Lynx basically, which is 101st!) are better than Blitz, xcd, xs, etc.
Top 50: Bigchps, Pedro Luiz, Riyamitie, Dreamworker,
Top 25: Me, GreenTea, Kantos, Hauptmann, Sirius, General Charles, Unreality.
Top 10: Grizzlis, JSA, Dom365, soon to be Khalid.

Mostly everyone above, got top 10 in 2v2 also. And some in seasonal.

If we take Lynx away from the 101st, we would be semi-Elite, no?

Edited 3/4/2014 18:36:00

Banana I got respect for blitz I think y'all have a great clan. but, we have taken your lunch money a bit especially in the clan league. How about we set up a head to head matchup blitz vs XCD to settle this once and for all!!!

Edited 3/4/2014 18:57:30

Apollo: i agree.

Gentleman: i did never have lunch money :( sure for me, but i will have to talk to my clan first