Widzisz seem to be right to ask for evidence though, especially when someone cannot even defend himself.
I'm in no way defending gnuff, in my eyes, someone who brags so much about his achievements in that way shouts to me that he is a born looser.
So it comes at no surprise that he had multiple accounts in many clans to try to appear better then he is.
However Widzisz is right, more evidence is needed before claiming that he has an alt in apex.
Starting with a name maybe, would help a lot.

About apex, I also do not believe he has an alt there. I know he played my account for a bit while I was in apex but the screenshot was before that time I think. One possible explanation is that he looked off the same chat that the screenshot came from and took a screenshot of the apex chat when he had control of my account. However, I think the chat was much older than when he borrowed my account. Possibility #2: gnuffone had a spy friend in apex that let Gnuffone log into his account and see the chat. Possibility #3: gnuffone has an alt in apex.

The screenshot will be nearly impossible to find, me and gnuffone literally chatted for hours a day for a month in a row on skype, I don't care enough to go digging back through it all.

But I think #1 is the most likely possibility, especially since he never provided a newer picture of apex chat. He just likes to bs about alts a lot, kinda like his resume, make himself sound better than he is.

And I am not gonna be able to prove anything without spending a lot of time doing it, so you'll have to just go with what your gut tells you about these things if there's no proof.

Edit: I don't claim he has an alt in apex, I claim he said he does

Edited 3/8/2014 15:20:32

Edited 3/9/2014 01:24:39

Evidence of my accusation of cheating (that maybe some don't know about): http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=1962

Gnuff, Gladiator, Inferno all joined a 1v1 tournament. 90% of the time I made these Ancient China 1v1s, Gnuff joined with three accounts. So if he was doing this two years ago, his methods of cheating have only become more sophisticated and complex as he has gained access to friends' accounts and he has deemed the stakes to be higher.

Back then, Gnuff always competed with me in Ancient China 1v1s. We probably played over 30 games. He never won until more recently, after I changed the map more and he improved as a player. But even back then, he would join with three accounts to have three chances to play me. He was very determined to beat me in those tournaments. In one single-elimination tournament I beat him twice. I thought it was funny.

His cheating has always been very much about increasing his chances of achieving his goal. He is very methodical. Over the last year, his goal has been to be recognized as the best player. So the extent of his cheating has increased, to make up for his shortcomings as a player.

The difference between then and now: When a decent/good player cheats a little and still loses, it is humorous. When a top player cheats a lot, it is scandalous.

But ever since Gnuff started playing WL, he has broken rules or cheated. It has only got worse as he has learned how to cheat more effectively and has had more opportunities to cheat.

Edited 3/8/2014 15:53:23

As far as I know, Gnuffone did not have alts in apex. He only had access to somebody's account once or twice for a week or so when that somebody was on vacation (similar to when he looked after mine just before the infamous [20]a 3v3)... Whenever he wanted something from apex, he turned to me, because..

I was the one in WM investigation departament who had access to apex chats (and most others). I was fully passive with it and never abused the knowledge. Several times Gnuffone asked me to give him links to the chats (i have no idea what was the reason). I was reluctant, but am sure i gave him the apex chat-link twice or thrice throughout the years..

Food for thought - we started WMID espionage covert ops back in 2012 when Trilussa was still active and it was meant to prevent people from abusing the system, and in the process reveal on the forums what we know, like we did with Beelz's case.. IF what you guys say about Gnuffone is true, then it's even more upsetting that a person who had alts to protect righteousness used them against it..

For the time being I try not to judge, for most of what people say is indeed possible, but in my opinion it's not really proven enough to throw stones on Gnuff. I decided to stay neutral for as long as possible. I don't want to think of my most frequent teammate as a rotten cheat. I prefer to wait for solid proof as Widzisz does.

Gnuffone admitted to FlyingBender having abused his login data yesterday. I won't give the game link, though, FB can give it himself if he wants.

Gnuffone also admitted to FlyingBender two days ago that infiltrating GG with an alt was revenge for 14-3 where I allegedly hacked szeweningen's account.

@GreenDragon: The reason why Gnuffone is not writing anything is not that he is unable. It's because he cannot rebuttle anything that is being said.

@Fridge: Are you aware of Gnuffone sharing the info he got from GG spying, or did he keep it to himself?

Ciekiu, to answer your question:

I was aware of some things you posted on your chat if that's what you are asking about. I also had a couple versions of your e-book. Actually if i recall correctly, it was me who created mannerheim-szeweningen/gangnam "investigation" and tried with gnu to find our if you are or are not the same person with one of the former WM, and that's basically what i did with all the info i've had.

As for FlyingBender - yes. he admitted. but at the same time, he said he did not do it to pick perfect counters, but out of curiousity, after picks (Which does not make it any less wrong, however is a slightly different thing). I'm not defending Gnuff here. I only want to make things straight.

Belzebu wrote:
"the nation cup had to be another of his many fake trophies and he would do anything to win it ,he wanted to disqualify Norway because he thought delpi was an alt of yeon , although it was true , I didnt have the intention to attack yeon and his team for a gnuff's suspect when we deserved to lose , considering also that Italy team wasn't completely fair (I used zebedeus account when he was inactive for the 5vs5 and Gnuff completely abused for the entire competition the flyngTucano/pastafrolla account.....me and flyng stopped him to do that .....how to pretend to go in semifinal when he lost all his games in 1v1,2v2and 3v3 ??? the only games that italy won is my 1vs1 against Panix and me and thanathos against panix/delpi, we were going to win the 5vs5 but gnuff when he realized that he could have never won the competition , he started to play stupid and ask us to surrender and later he let flyngtucano being booted and he surrendered without say nothing...."

Well, DelPi obviously is not my alt. My alt is "YeonAlt" :) I'm not much for subterfuge. I don't think our playing styles are similar either.

Interesting to know that Italy cheated against us.

A clear proof that we (Team Norway) never cover for each other with logins in Nations Cup is our big amount of boots. In fact I think maybe we lost more games on boots than on the board (though thankfully for us we have still won all matches in both Nations Cups). We have done everything by the rules and I hope that is the case of most teams.

Ok, thanks for info. I appreciate it.

#5 the "hedja" announce retirement and continue to say you are quitting for months but in actuality just reduce multi day games

I have 3 games left, quit both ladders, 1 tourny which is never going to end, so when the 3 games finish, which should be soon, I'm gone from wl for good ;)

EDIT:

[GG] Master of Strategy was Gnuff's alt, for you guys that want evidence here it is:

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=4769673

After saying in public "with my old account i played only 350 games, only 1v1s, never against you."

He says as soon as the game is over in private chat "i'm sorry for being liar with you, we had play many games. sorry."

I'll copy out the first part of our chat which is about his clan infiltration:



hedja - haha doesnt matter :D

hedja - if you feel i am trustworthy enough not to tell anyone who you are tell me, i am interested

hedja - but if you dont think i can keep a secret then you dont need to :D

MoS - ok, i will trust you.

MoS - I'll give you clues

hedja - what nationality?

MoS - 1) be 1st on aldder 1v1 {funny how his achievements are the first things that he talks about....}

hedja - there have been so many ladder 1v1s :P

MoS - italy. now you know. keep secret, is kinda important.

hedja - number *1s

hedja - flyingbender? gnuff?

MoS - lol don't know bender take 1st lolol

hedja - not flyingbender actually, not a member

hedja - btw why the hell are you in relite if you are in wm :D

MoS - i like spy other clan.

MoS - i am on REGL too.

hedja - do they know you are gnuff?

MoS - anyway i'm going to retire as soon as 20 A ended. {this is 8 months ago btw}

Mos - lol no, nobody know i'm gnuff. only fridge

hedja - what will you do if you reach final with gnuff and this account?

Mos - i was not playing with my acc gnuff, another player was playingwith it, but he fail.
but i cannot tell you who he is, he is retired, and od'nt want say he lay from time to time.

hedja - why tell me it is someone else and then not tell me who it is :P

MoS - because is against rule play with 2 acc live toruney, and unfair.

hedja - wait so you are playing both accounts but say it is someone else so it isnt unfair?

MoS - is unfair if i play with really both.

hedja - why are you as alt and retired plaeyr as you, not other way around?

MoS - gnuff-->a retired player, master--> me.

MoS - bc i have not another secret alt with at least level 2 for join torurney, and i don't want let see him relite chat.

hedja - ah ok

MoS - don't write here, i am elaving this account,

hedja - kk, you going back to gnuff account and retired guy leaving?

MoS - he already leave, when he lost he message me on skype saying he was leaving.


To be honest at the time I thought it was strange, but didn't think much of it, but I've now realised from that position he could influence clan competitions with that account.

Also, sorry if this post is a bit long, just didn't want Wid to have anything to complain about ;)

Edited 3/8/2014 18:25:10

and just like that, a new can of worms is opened. This just keeps going deeper and deeper

He says he`s in REGL? Who the hell would he be then? It is clearly not for Gnuff to be seen as less than fantastic, but members that I know that would be good enough to be him, can`t be him :p

min: technically speaking he didnt need to play his best game to remain a spy. just pretend to be a new player.

I know, but from this thread, that doesn`t sound like Gnuff :p

I heard he was in the 101st as well. I may be wrong?

poor gnuffone. the door hit him on his way out. now he has a 6-page fuckyoulogy. why speak ill of the dead, o spiteful warlighters?

are you the kind of people who are nice to somebody and then gossip and talk shit about them as soon as they leave the room?

Edited 3/8/2014 21:06:33

also, why are these people allowed to post private conversations while i couldn't post URLs? i think some forum bans are in order, based fizz.

Edited 3/8/2014 21:06:01

How long were you suspended? Three and a half hours?

Gnuff is not gone. His legend will always live on. His alts still play. He still talks to players. And he will return as Gnuff.

Hmm,do you think that a lier and backstabber has to be forgiven for all his bad actions just because he quit?