And fuck you slammy, not to hate on Michael and cow, but I hate Vikings and I tried to persuade them against it. I'm still making the Soviet clan, I'm just discussing the details of it with T4R first, members and leaders.

-hopefully last post

Do you mean warlord are you realy mean slammy

What? Can you edit that post so I can read it?

Can we stop with these guys coming to the forums, this is like the 3rd or 4th in a row. Why is this happening suddenly :\

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Min, do you mean New people (warlord), or old vitrix members(Michael, warlord, etc)?

hey hauptmann, about those sources...

Doesn`t matter if they are new or old. They are new to the forum and behave like monkeys on drugs :\

hey hauptmann, about those sources...

Sorry, hab geschlafen. Check the foreign policy of the Ukraine over the last 10-15 years, I'm honestly too lazy to look for sources with my crappy internet, but if I'm honest I know most of this from books I borrowed from the library near by and it was all in German -_-"

What's important to note is that in the minds of the Ukrainians (as with the rest of Europe thanks to the way BBC and CNN have been wording things) you can either be pro-European or pro-Russian. They're mutually exclusive and therefore if Ukraine draws closer to Russia it will inevitably have the means to push Russia out. Oh and the fact that many Ukrainian governments since 1990's have been trying.

That egg pelting that I mentioned? It was because parliament passed a treaty to allow the Russia to station their Black Sea fleet yet another 50 years in the Ukraine.

Lawlz and warlord shut up also the vikings was Cows idea so yeah lawlz not my idea just my investment

@Hauptmann

Would you say Russia taking the Crimea would be pretty damn similar to Nazi Germany's Anschluss with Austria and occupying of the Sudetenland?

My point

The south east is the industrail area its the place where ukrain makes is economie

Russia doesnt care about the people it wants the land

Texas ant the same as ukrain in ukrain people claim they ant russian in texas every one claims thieir american you
Cant compair the both of them

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In usa thires more friendom and rights why you think ussr are collapse and usa hasnt yet it will not yet

Yes thier economie collapsed too but those country that broke of had a reason to split

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Warlord, use some basic grammar please! You say you're from America, take some pride in the English language and apply it at least semi-properly, I can barely understand you.

In Texas almost a third of the population is of Hispanic descent and is very proud of it, what are you talking about?? - Also, Texans are Texan first and American second in some parts of the state.

60% of the people in Crimea are of Russian descent and claim to be Russian. In Eastern Ukraine it's anywhere from 25-40% depending on who you believe.

And yes, they had a reason to split just as Russia has a reason to want them back. Both sides have good arguments. If Texas has a reason to split, should the US allow it? The US is in so much debt it's on the verge of collapse, most countries would have defaulted by now and succumb to revolution or civil war. -> Greece, Thailand, Burma, Bangladesh, several African nations, etc.

Michael, fuck yourself. I'm sick of you. You've done exactly what I've done on the forums and worse. Don't try to act all "self-righteous" now.

@Arun - sorry, didn't see your post.

No, I wouldn't. There are similarities, but I'd see it as Russia reconquering lost lands from the fall of the USSR and trying to regain its Superpower status.

IMO, had Germany stopped with Austria and turned Czech into a sphere of influence rather than directly annexing its lands it could have stopped there with complete legitimacy. Germany and Poland could have organized a treaty to ensure East Prussia remain an integrated part of Germany and there wouldn't have been a need for more expansion, but Hitler had his own designs.

The difference is Crimea was (and is) Russian. Austria, while having German ties and a strong similarity in terms of culture and language, was for most of history its own nation/empire.

Hauptman you dont make sence at all

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WTELE-57KVY

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj4cxBVCNjQ

Ya the ukrains welcome the russians with open hands

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7vSIGNvShRM