and they baptized me too when I was an infant. My parents might had not wanted to, but there are many implications when someone chooses to stand up against this gang. so they prefered not to (stand up) coause they knew they had to deal with the bearded monsters.

My opinion is that science cannot explain everything, but that is no reason to believe in a higher power. Im not scientific person, the reason im "undecided" on religion, is because frankly, most religious people are hyprocrits and are the first to judge. It disgusts me and I choose not to be drawn into that and I'm trying to be my own person, with my own views on the world.

But i also agree, that thread is pointless. Who cares?

This thread*

Exactly! That's about the point I was trying to make, Bishes.

Altough I don't mind discussions about religion at all, as long as, like I said, there's a form of mutual respect.
Major Risk said it best. If only all people shared view, the world might be a better place.
You'll never have all people agreeing when it comes to religion. I find it OK to share and discuss your views as long as you don't push them on others, or ridicule what they belief.

But don't religious people judge the most?

Your saying religious people judge the most.. You are judging. I am religious.. I don't care what you do, pssh.. you just want me to judge you and give you attention..

But your only looking at what you see as religion.. as people who judge and have prejudice. If you don't attend church and actually meet religious people and see what they are really like you'll always just be judging them as "judgmental ranting crazy people". Rant Rant Rant.. You don't have to believe in god to visit church by the way. You won't turn to ash in the door.

"Bigotry is like stereotypes, If its 100% true, is it still wrong?"

So in other words, it is your opinion that every single Christian (yes, all 2.1 BILLION of them) is a bad person and does not deserve your respect. Impressive. Thanks for showing the bigotry and intolerance... lets me add to my blacklist.

.....I have been to church and attended many of its functions. You're right i did NOT burn to ashes, but it just catch on to me. And you're right, I do judge, but unlike Christians I never claimed not to. And attention? Pssshhh... Im just stating an opinion.

No Richard, it is my opinion that Christians can be hyprocritical, but are generally good people. I treat everybody with respect, black or white, islam or christian, boy or girl. I have Christian friends, but i still stand by what I said.

god is real if you dont believe then when you die god sends you to hell

That is YOUR opinion.

|> If God had his way, human life wouldn't exist.

Well, according to the Bible, without god human life wouldn't exist either (you know, since he/she/it created human life), so what's your point? :p

|> (blah blah blah) shall be put to death

To the best of my knowledge, the number of people who take the Bible as gospel (pun wholly intended), interpret it literally and stick to everything it says is rapidly declining. Most people nowadays acknowledge it was written a heck of a long time ago and the world changed a lot since then (for one, it became round ;) ).
Also, the value of a human life seems to have become much higher (fights to the dead are "not nearly as popular" any more for instance, (almost??) all countries abolished slavery and many countries have abolished death penalty). Combined with other forms of punishment (such as jail) having become much more feasible and the chance of getting caught increasing enormously (making it less necessary to "make an example" out of the few people who used to get caught), there is simply no need to go way over the top and kill people for the slightest transgression.
So yes, striking people for no good reason and cheating and so on are still consider "bad", it's just we reconsidered the penalty suggested by the Bible. (And, of course, the whole gay thing got reconsidered entirely.)

Speaking of which, can anyone please explain to me what it is with many religions having such a huge problem with gay people...!? I especially don't get the whole "unnatural" bit. For one it has been well-established there's multiple species of animal who engage in homosexual relations. For another, you know what really *is* unnatural? Religion; show me *just one* species of animal who practices religion!

ps. I did *NOT* verify your Bible quotation. Your examples sound reasonably "Bible-like", so I'll take your word for it.

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|> But don't religious people judge the most?

Among people who judge are many religious people, sure. But among people *in general* are also many religious people, so that's to be expected.
Example: most people in universities are (let's say) 18-24, but that doesn't mean all (or even most) people 18-24 years old go to university.

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|> god is real if you dont believe then when you die god sends you to hell

Ah yes, what an incredibly convincing argument, I can't find a single flaw in it (mostly because you "forgot" to actually include any argumentation...).

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|> That is YOUR opinion.

Actually, it's not... It's his parent's / teacher's / preacher's opinion; he's just parroting it along, without giving it any thought whatsoever. :(

|>Most people nowadays acknowledge it was written a heck of a long time ago and the world changed a lot since then

So what if it was written a long time ago? This book was written by **GOD**... right? You know that guy is omnipotent? he created the universe in a week, but he can't predict that we're going to change? Why doesn't he give us a new book to live our lives by?

I honestly just don't understand how any intelligent person can sympathize with that logic.

|> So what if it was written a long time ago? This book was written by GOD... right?

No, it wasn't. Possibly on behalf of god, but not by god himself/herself/itself.

|> Why doesn't he give us a new book to live our lives by?

Maybe for the same reason your parents stop raising you at some point; because humanity is "grown up" (or, at least, we're supposed to be) and we should be able to figure things out for ourselves now?

Just playing devil's advocate (oh, the irony!) here...

hahaha look what he has done.

Please note that the old testament, with all the "(blah blah blah) shall be put to death" have been overthrew with the arrival of Jesus (See Romans:4) Thus, this law only applied to the Jews 3000 years ago.

As for "Judge not lest you be judged." I agree that some "Christians" do judge (note that I quoted Christians because they are not real Christians, they claim to believe in Jesus, but they never read the bible, nor do they have any knowledge of God. Thus they believe a god, but that's not actually the Christian God). When preachers tell you "believe in God or face judgement", or "do not murder", or "do not be gay" or "do not sleep with your neightbour's wife", they are not judging you, simply warning you and saving you from eternal fire. When preachers say "you are a sinner", it's also not judging, for it's only a statement of fact from the bible.

So what if it was written a long time ago? This book was written by GOD... right? You know that guy is omnipotent? he created the universe in a week, but he can't predict that we're going to change? Why doesn't he give us a new book to live our lives by?

sorry, accidentally clicked post, before I finished my sentence.

As a Chrisitian, I can tell you this book was written by God. God used prophets to let people know his desires. He did give us a new book, called the New Testament, and as I wrote previously, Jesus overthrew the commandments written in the Old Testament. Thus these commandments no longer applies (Romans:4) God predicted humans are going to change, that's why he send his one and only son, Jesus Christ.

god is real if you dont believe then when you die god sends you to hell
That's your oppinion

That's the oppinion of at least 10% of the world.

If God had his way, human life wouldn't exist.
Well... If he is god, he WILL have his way(otherwise he won't be god), and here we still exist... In other words, God's "way" isn't to condemn the world, but to save the world (John:3)

Note at RvW Speaking of which, can anyone please explain to me what it is with many religions having such a huge problem with gay people...!?

Gay is unnatural, just as murder, adoltery, false testomonies and all other sins. However, just like animals, all these sins occur everyday for as long as there were humans. Thus, to the world, gay is in fact natural. The reason why God is against Gays are the same why he is against all other sins. And the reason why there are Gays, are the same why there are murder, lying, stealing and all other sins (mostly because of fall of man in the Garden of Eden).

How do you rationalise your beliefs with the suffering, inequality, war, genocide
etc. the list goes on.

God is testing our faith is a cliche. There are nobody who's righteous. When God tried to destroy the city of Sodom, Abraham pleaded for it, asking, "will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? What if there are fifty righteous people in the city?" God answers, "If there are fifth righteous people, I will spare the whole place for their sake" Then abraham asked what if there are 40, God said the same thing, then Abraham asked what if there are 10, and God said "for the sake of 10, i will not destroy it" (Genesis:18). One explanation to the above question may be because no one is righteous, and the punishment for sin is death (Genesis:2).

Another explanation is when Jesus heals a blind man. According to Jewish beliefs (note Jesus was a jew, and all his disciples are Jews) when a man is blind, crippled or have any other defect, it's due to sin. Thus Jesus's disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parrents, that he was born blind?" Jesus answered, "Neither this man, nor his parents sinned, but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life." Then Jesus heals him. This explanation simply means that all these listed above occur so that the glory (or power) of God may be revealed.

Please note that I am not debating whether God exist, nor am I trying to convert anyone into Christianity. I am only protecting my belief and answering some questions (some of which may be rhetorical).