Jaysus, can the religious discussions please just stop? Nobody is going to convince anyone of anything. Look at the previous thread, 4 pages in like a day. I know I am prone to going off topic on the forums repeatedly, but I do enjoy the fact that most forum discussions are at least somewhat game-related.

You wonder why billions of people are killed everyday if there is a God.Well the reason is it intended things happen it is intended for a porpuse however if you havre God in your life you have nothing to worry about i have survived many major dieases,bad water bad food and nearly ran into a car.

also @lykus if you are going to critise a whole group do your research propelly making irrational statements stereotypical statement on something you barely know about.

So, reading a book makes a person devout?

"-In case you don't know, definition of devout: 'Having or showing deep religious feeling or commitment'. The people who have read the bible cover to cover, memorize lines, etc."

I've read thousands of books, and trust me, reading a book doesn't make you devout.

No need for the blasphemy TexasJohn.

If god has a message that is so important that he needs me to know it, he should tell me himself about it. Since he hasnt spoken to me yet, i am an unbeliever.
The manipulative catholic church has pierced their controlpropaganda on to people for so many centuries, that its hard for most people to think free on their own again.
And it will stick to mankind for another many centuries, until we are able to move on and change our society to be based on reason and not on hypocrisy. But as long as oligarchy and plutocracy prevail on earth, religion will find its place, since people are so easy controlable through it.

myhandisonfire, I speak to you: *For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.* (Matthew 18:20) Before I said these words, as recorded by my disciple Matthew, a wise man from the state of Lu spoke of a similar concept: human-heartedness, whose symbol 仁 is also *two* and *people*.

If the Father spoke to you directly, you would be a prophet to fulfill what I, the Son, have left unfulfilled. *For the Lord God does nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets.* (Amos 3:7) A new holy book would be written to form a trilogy: Old Testament (God's covenant with Israel), New Testament (Christ the Savior), Newest Testament (myhandisonfire the Prophet).

Myhand, you really do only post gems on this forums :)

Jesus: YOU ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOLY BECAUSE YOU QOUTE FROM THE BIBLE :D Isnt just using the name "jesus" blaphmeous or however you spell it.

Whoever made the account Named Jesus, is Blaspheming him/herself



Deuteronomy 4
16 I say this so you will not corrupt yourselves by making an image in the form of any kind of figure. This includes the likeness of a human male or female


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adjective, -er, -est.
1. excessively proud of or concerned about one's own appearance, qualities, achievements, etc.; conceited: a vain dandy.
2. proceeding from or showing personal vanity: vain remarks.
3. ineffectual or unsuccessful; futile: a vain effort.
4. without real significance, value, or importance; baseless or worthless: vain pageantry; vain display.
5. Archaic . senseless or foolish.
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6. in vain,
a. without effect or avail; to no purpose: to apologize in vain.
b. in an improper or irreverent manner: to take God's name in vain.

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2. given to ostentatious display, esp of one's beauty
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a.to use the name of someone, esp God, without due respect or reverence
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1. impious utterance or action concerning God or sacred things.
2. Judaism .
a. an act of cursing or reviling God.
b. pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton (YHVH) in the original, now forbidden manner instead of using a substitute pronunciation such as Adonai.
3. Theology . the crime of assuming to oneself the rights or qualities of God.
4. irreverent behavior toward anything held sacred, priceless, etc.: He uttered blasphemies against life itself.

The account named Jesus does not blesphemy Jesus.
Perrin, you clearly misunderstood the command in Deutoromy. God is not condemning you if you make an image in the form of anything in the heavens above, the earth below, or the waters beneath. He condemns you if you make an image and corupt yourself with image.

The account Jesus did not corupt himself, nor corupt God, for everything he posted so far is correct and accurate(based on the bible), exactly as Jesus himself would have said. If the account Jesus said, "murder and you will live", then that blesphemies the name of the Lord, for he has lied using the name of Jesus.

@Myhandisonfire, the Catholic church had did many wrongs (much in which they had admitted and apologized, many others are forgotten) because they are an organization formed by people. People according to God, are all sinners, thus it's only natural that they will sin. Christians are no different. You should judge Religion not based on its believers, but the religion's teachings. It's true God did not directly contact you to give you any messages, but clearly you are not willing to listen. If God knows all, then he won't give you the message, because he knows you are not willing to listen to it.

@Lykus and KGB, the reason why people are upset at Lykus's opinion is plain and simple. Lykus said he hates Christians, and therefore, saying he hates me, even though I never met him, and he doesn't know anything about me. He hates me all because I'm a Christian. Now, I think this attitude is wrong, and I don't wish anyone hating me. However, it's your choice, and I won't force you to change your choice.

When somebody is a christian they are supposed to be very serious about their religion If people aren't like that, they aren't 'true Christians'.(half christians?)

As a christian, I feel compelled to explain my beliefs:

The main reason why so many Americans hate Christians(especially the hardcore) is because the American culture is opposite of Christians, for sex and money. As for polygamy, I don't know how they consider themselves Christians, going against christian rules and committing adultery. And the catholics scamming people, that is why protestant was created, and most churches don't do that anymore.
As far as the bible, the practic only record of all Jewish time, I would like to know how/why more than 30 generations lied in a book. And if you say it was only one person, the Romans knew about Christianity, and there were plenty of witnesses, and it spread pretty rapidly after Jesus's death (and no,'Jesus' comment wasn't blaspheming, he wasn't actauly saying he was Jesus).
If you don't believe in Christianity, there are some interesting stories about Christian people. If you think all those people are crazy, then you shouldn't be more likely to believe bigfoot or aliens exist. If you don't believe in anything that has a 50/50 chance of being real you'r e a skeptic. As for the hell explanation,if you don't ask for forgiveness for your sins, the punishment for sin is death, so unless you are forgiven you go to hell (believe me, I don't think its very fair either).

|> If you don't believe in anything that has a 50/50 chance of being real you'r e a skeptic.

Where does the "50/50" come from? Please, *please* tell me you don't go for the "it's either true (god exists) or false (god doesn't exist), so that's a 50/50 chance". Just go buy two lottery tickets. The first one can either win or not, so that's a 50/50, right? The second one can also win or not, so that's another 50/50. Since 50%+50%=100%, that means you're sure to win the jackpot. (There's another error in there and while it's pretty bad, it pales in comparison to "two possibilities, so it must be 50/50".)

Also, you seem to imply "sceptic" somehow equals "bad". That's seems very strange, especially seeing how you do it in the sentence after the one where you mention Bigfoot...

|> As for the hell explanation,if you don't ask for forgiveness for your sins, the punishment for sin is death, so unless you are forgiven you go to hell

Since the question of whether or not someone goes to hell only pops up after someone's dead, I think it's slightly pointless to be still handing out death penalties at that oint.

I just wrote half an hour of work, carefully explaining my thoughts to you.
I sended it and i got this message:
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I am not putting that amount of work into it again.
You will die ignorant.

That moment when you agree with someone until they say one wrong thing.. @Tomahawk, I'm catholic and I never once scammed you, who has hurt you so?

@myhand :(

Sorry to hear that myhand; let's just say I know *exactly* how you feel... :(
I've made a habit of using Ctrl+A, Ctrl+C before submitting very long posts (not just on here, everywhere), better sure than sorry.

WTF? America does not hate Christianty, they are all for it!

You are KGB, Russia, you should hate capitalism and america