my friend told me that atheism is bullshit and he also said that they believe in heaven and hell and the devil but not god so did the devil messed up their minds??...........is that true??

oh the facepalmage, atheists believe that religion was created to explain what we didn't know at the time because science wasn't advanced enough. now that we can explain a lot with science we can let go of the restraints of religion and continue on.

but in Islam the Quran( especially 1000 years ago had some of the most scientific evidence that nobody knows) but do they believe in heaven and hell?

Whiskey Tango?

What exactly does this have to do with Warlight? Guess I shouldn't expect too much after looking at that quality profile.

nothing I use this game as a forum and that thing in my profile when I got pissed off from the game -_-

So in other words, you're a troll. Bout what I expect from a Warlighter I suppose...

No, Athiests don´t believe in Heavan or Hell or the Devil or God. What your friend told you was a lie in order to demonzie athiests and discredit what they have to say.

;) We'll your friend told you.. so it must be right!

Athiests are sinners against the most holy God Almighty, and simply must be punished! Your friend is right, Athiesm is the Devil's playground, and so is Warlight! I suggest you leave immediately, else ye be banished into the hellfires of...hell. Yeah.

you are a heretic against the holy true faith of the flying spaghetti monster.
you all will be puninshed for not being pirates, because of people like you the earth is warming!

Atheists draw conclusions (There is no god) from as little evidence as the devoutly religious do. Essentially it's just another form of religion masquerading as critical thought. The path of agnosticism is the only one that is obviously, incontrovertably right in its claims: "I don't know."

I agree with you devilnis, agnoticism is the smart way to think.
But i dont agree with the little evidence part. I study this subjects and they interest me, for me and for lots and lots of people, many things skeptics believe that is not possible are already proven by cientific methods.
God is not one of them, but the things i can say i know as facts (not theories, that i have lots and lots too) include: reincarnation, existence of life after death (and before birth), the existence of spirits in many forms (angels, demons, elementals, "ghosts" and many others), telephaty, outside of human brain consciousness, and a few others.
Quantum fisics says that every matter acts as waves and they are conscious beings, and that brings up lots of questions and answers if you go deep enough.

So, to many people that are healed from cancer or any other disaese, or are helped by circuntamces in such a way that they have absolutely certainty that they are experimenting spirituality. To this people faith is a fact. It doesnt mean they know everything, some times this experiences makes them unable to see anything through other person perspective, but the fact they are experiment events that the current scientific community don't support is the reality.

If anyone reads that with a urge to criticize, i can support what i am saying, just ask politely.

Quantum physics makes no claim that the quanta (whether looked at as a point or as a wave) are conscious. The possibility exists that the entire universe could be sentient on some vast scale, but it's just delightful conjecture at this point since we don't have the vantage point or depth of understanding to test the theory. I'd be interested to see what studies were done that could possibly confirm the other things you mentioned such as reincarnation. Are they peer reviewed? Have other labs re-ran the experiments with the same results? Just because it's on the internet in bold font doesn't mean it's real.

The miracle cures and whatnot that you refer to are fringe cases and to be expected - some people will miraculously be cured of things when people expected otherwise, such as those rare people who are genetically capable of defeating an HIV infection. When you point to those "miracles" as being something amazing and divine, you are participating in what is known as "observational bias" where you will tend to notice, think about, and remember the fringe cases and exclude from your consciousness the fact that the vast majority of people will be unable to live through an HIV infection unaided. It would be much more improbable for there to NOT be statistical outliers, so the fact that they exist is not proof of anything meaningful.

Also, some conditions are the result of both a physical prompt and a biofeedback loop powered by the subject's beliefs and mood, so sometimes just tricking a patient into believing that they are cured can be enough to cure them in truth (the very well-documented "placebo effect".) - None of this supports the concept of divine intervention in any way, as there are statistically verified mundane causes for the outcome.

ok, thank for your answers, you got them all i figure

What devilnis said.
Except for that oversimplifying "atheism=religion" bit. There's more to atheism vs. agnosticism than just "NO!" vs. "I am abstaining from voting".
Being an atheist with regard to that one Abrahamitic deity (as always, your mileage may vary depending on how you interpret the scriptures (or what parts of them)) is a pretty sound and valid philosophical position and not only some sort of secular modern-day ersatz religion creed.
Also: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atheism-agnosticism/

tl,dr on all the above:
If you're calling yourself an atheist, you *probably should be* calling yourself an agnosticist. Except when you're a Dawkins fanboy. That guy definitely HAS something of a guru about him. Be sure to get all the T-shirts.

"Woman is the devil
God is a fraud"

There's no more proof of God's nonexistance than there is of his existance, so any claim to "know" one way or the other is voodoo...

i am that naive to believe that two intelligent person would talk through something without the necessity of that feeling that the discussion must have a winner?

If by any chance your arguments are strong enough to make me quiet, would that mean that the universes follows the laws that you believe in? Would our opinions have any practical value rather than the fact the every person has to right to have their own?
But this means nothing, discussing right or wrong is pointless, because EVERYSINGLEPERSONINTHISFUCKINGWORLD believe to be inside a group that have all the answers. And is that any good for anybody?

How can I communicate the information that i am not trying to prove myself right or either that yourself is wrong?
Because i dont believe in that. I believe that if i ask you to rethink your believe system to something else, shouldn't I give you the same opportunity to make me rethink my believe system? Isn't that the rational way human kind should be taken by this point?
So i don't want to oppose what you are saying, I want to understand it, because would be very easy to use my believe system to neglect all information you give me and still believe in the exact same things I always did.
So, can I present want I believe in without hurting your feelings? Can I do the same when you present your information to me?

Can we stop thousands of years of acting the same way, declaring that being opposed to ones thoughts is cause for hostility?

End my final question is: can two intelligent person trade so much information, that in the end of a long period they both have a feeling that they know everything about the others perspective, and just than starting to formulate a safe base which both can rely on trough clarity and logic?
Can we take each others will of being right out of the equation?

devilnis atheist makes more sense then theism purely because the fact that it is impossible to prove anything does *not* exist, but it is simple to prove something does exist.. a theist can simple prove their point with proof of a divine existance, the atheist standpoint cannot be proven... if you believe in theism, you should just as readily believe in bigfoot, aliens visiting whenever we're not looking, interdimensional beings visiting us regularly, etc. etc. etc. because these things have not been proven, and cannot be disproven...

*Believe that which is easiest to disprove* I am an agnostic, leaning towards atheism until realistic proof to the contrary is presented....

and dakoish, every human is 99% atheist... take your common christian, you believe in the christian deity.. that means you disbelieve in all the other deities throughout history, and atheism is the active disbelief in deities, and/or the religion providing those deities.. believing atheism is bs is ignorance of oneself and of the environment we live in currently..


this being said, I only half skimmed most of the conversation, because religious debates can be so tedious, and this is *not* the location for it.

Lol.
Devil, if you wanted to you could make the effort and clarify what exactly you are referring to as "God" and "He" (protip: "Yehova/FatherSonHolyghost/Allah" probably sums it up). You are of course welcome to elaborate on what you mean with <"knowing" put in parentheses> as well. Then you could also re-read my post and, after that, the article I linked.
Or you could just believe me when I write that you and I have fairly congruent ideas about the matter at hand and that I was merely trying to get definitions straight.
;)