oh i guess if you're talking to the halfwits who supported trump and the completely braindead few who still support him. ya, they don't know what socialism is if they think aoc and bernie are socialists.

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not european socialism

Something tells me you and Zoe aren't talking about the same thing when you say "socialism." I'm betting your notion of "European socialism" is more Jeremy Corbyn or Norway while Zoe's is presumably closer to Rosa Luxemburg or the Paris Commune. AOC/Sanders are fairly close to the former and not at all to the latter.

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Yeah, European/Scandanavian 'Socialism' is Social Democracy. Socialism is worker-ownership of the Means of Production. https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of-scandinavian-socialism/

I find it funny how Social Democracy is on the rise in the US while every Social Democratic Party in every European country looses influence.

Kretoma talk African politix to me.

Sorry i have no idea about African politics.

@kretoma What do you consider socialism to be?

@ The Joey Depends. Some say whatever the ruling party says. Others "the step before communism". Others every social policy you can think of. Personally i do not care. :D

@kretoma :D Just trying to understand you. Then what did you mean by this comment:

"It is always cute what Americans think what socialism is. Oh wait, it isn't cute, but sad. No still not right - it is dangerous considering how much power they have. "

@ The Joey In my experience the American view it mostly the third option, while only hardcore liberals do have this oppinion on it in the EU. Here is mostly the first and second point what is considered Socialism. So aka Socialism = Social Policies - Democracy. Or Socialism =/= Social Democracy.
Sorry, i was too much in my own head. ^.^

@kretoma I apologize I am still confused. What are these 3 points you are referencing?

@ Joey Socialism is
1. Whatever the ruling party says.
2. The step before communism.
3. Every social policy you can think of.

You are welcome. :)

Reeeeeeeee that isn't Socialism at all. Please for the love of god at least google it.

Starvation.

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Starvation.

Bro,,, I've been owned

Comparison of UK and USA take home. ... The top rate of federal income tax is 35% in the USA, and they only start to pay that if they earn more than $398,100 in a year – compared with 40% tax in the UK if you earn more than £42,475 and 50% if you earn more than £150,000.

Yippie more tax

@Kremtoma Thanks for the clarification. I think I understand you a lot better now.

Controversial idea: Tax people who can actually afford it.

Rikku buddy there is no 50% income tax in the UK and there hasn't been for years

@Rikku: Factor in ROI, not just how much you pay. If you want to keep looking at this from an upper-middle class tax burden perspective rather than considering the whole of society- At $200k/yr in W-2 income, you're looking at something like $80k/yr in taxes (federal, state, FICA, etc., but ignoring property, sales, fuel, etc. since they're probably still ~$5k combined).

Unless you really hate Yemeni kids and love coal subsidies, what're you getting out of that $80k? Meanwhile, in the UK and EU, your taxes actually yield something.

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