Pretty sure goodgame was spoiling infinity war. :P

It does frustrate me a little that a lot of fights don't involve any real planning or strategy. Like in manga/anime, the most obvious solution is to Leeroy Jenkins the antagonist and assume they become road kill. :/

Speaking of Endgame. I do think they pander to the audience a bit much, and it hurts the flow of the story. There's a few events that don't make sense, and a few others that might be missing. They use some dangerous gimmicks in storytelling, though they do a decent job trying to work around the implications. They did a good job closing out most of the characters, though some endings came out of nowhere - in a bad way. Overall I liked it. :D

But how bout John Wick tho...

Idk, i havent watched it. I heard it pushed Endgame out of the top spot domestically, but no idea if thats because its new or its good. :P

Thanos snaps the infinity stones out of existence, so Thor kills him and the Avengers go back in time using the quantum realm to get the infinity stones from the past. Hulk/Banner snaps his fingers to bring everyone back, but an annoyed Thanos (from the past) comes to the future to get the stones and snap the whole universe out of existence and make a new, grateful one in his own image.

They fight. Thanos is just about to snap his fingers again, but Iron Man rushes him and steals the stones. Then Iron Man snaps his fingers, erasing Thanos from existence (along with his army) but dies himself in the process.

After his funeral, Captain America goes back in time to return the stones but decides to live out his life with Peggy Carter instead of coming back immediately. He then passes on his shield to The Falcon.

Sounds worse then the first one.

Better cinematography and action (watched them back-to-back), but regarding what you complained about in Infinity War it indeed gets much worse (partly due to time travel being a big part of the plot).

I personally think it doesn't *really* have plot holes (e.g., of course Captain America will last longer against Thanos than the average hero with stronger powers; that's not because he's more powerful but because he keeps getting back up right up until he can't), but if that stuff bothers you then it bothers you. It's still better than any other superhero movie made, largely because they finally built up the universe to the point where they can have the scale, grandeur, and stakes that other franchises failed at translating from comic books to the big screen.

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I focus on the story. impo, if the story is bad, then no matter the drama, violence, graphics, comedy, etc. If the story is bad, the movie is bad. (note the impo)

If you want to know what I do like, some good examples would be Shrek, Shrek 2, the first Avengers movie, Gravity Falls, Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, and Doctor Strange.

Everyone "focuses on the story" and eschews hollow graphics. People just mean very different things when they say the same thing.

Endgame's storytelling is very character-driven, like some of the movies you listed. It earns its big moments, unlike the DCEU, but it does indeed focus on building up to them in lieu of going for a solid plotline.

Imo a lot more movies become highly enjoyable when you start varying the lenses through which you consume media. You won't get the strong unifying plot thread/thematic elements that seem to characterize the movies you listed, though, out of Endgame, although they build some of that through the Iron Man plotline (probably not to your satisfaction).

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Most of what you said isn't false (to my knowledge), but there are a number of movies that they didn't even try on. Some movies are made just to cash in on a fad or something, some sequels are made for a quick buck, and sometimes a film company is either out of ideas or lazy and just stalls with bad films. Just saying, they may often try, but they often don't.

My point is that "caring about the story" is really broad; it's like saying you "care about the taste" of food (what kind of taste?).

Ngl, I was kinda pissed that Doctor Strange basically made glowy whips and shields. Not even much use for portals D:<

Took all the way to Endgame to see some major magey stuff. D:<

I mostly care about a fluent story that makes sense, as in different parts of the story are still parts of the same story, and there's not things like crushing the whole Roman army and then losing to a dozen archers. What I call "not caring about the story" is putting more focus on things like cinematography and less focus on the actual story. If you care more about cinematography, fine with me. And what you said about Captain America, it really doesn't make sense for him to last longer then Hulk because Hulk gets stronger the more angry and never surrenders (name one time he did). Then again, it's fiction, so opinions.

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MCU Hulk is way less powerful than comics Hulk, unfortunately.

Then Endgame is 100% not your movie since it's a solid hour of fan service and filler. I think they had no other choice from a storytelling perspective since the movie doesn't work without the campy time travel explanation scenes, but they definitely didn't put a ton of emphasis on the plot coherence aspect of things.

:P just say plot instead of story. Stories are a lot more than just plots. You like plot-driven movies, it seems.

When talking about media, story and plot tend to be synonymous.

So far, compared to others, I have been enjoying your posts.

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Just random related thing, the ps4 Spiderman game is better in terms of story and characters both together and separately then any of the movies. Except maybe civil war in terms of character, but not story.

Who?

You don't know who Spiderman is?!?! He's my favorite marvel character.