I feel like Hong Kong is at it's worst time in it's history. All the protest happening, reduction of it's economy, less services to provide, and more. Hong Kong is like a wasteland at this day.

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paris has protests longer and arguably more violent than hong kong, but i guess the focus has all shifted to here (which we gladly accepted it), but worst time, nah it's only the start of it, and very likely to spark out of control, it might end up like detroit.

Hong Kong, Paris, Moscow...what city next? Yes,yes, people protest in Moscow. Only we have it looks like a circus-young girls and boys engaged in some nonsense. And if you compare with what it was may 1, 1993...

What happened in Detroit?

This is the New french revolution

Just get custom scenario and change hk to neutral with 10000 armies

This will blow over. Protests never work.

In the case of de Gaulle, they did not work so that de Gaulle resigned

@weter: 5 years ago, there is a protest in hk named umbrella revolution, but it ended up being the complete opposite of a revolution, with road blocks removed by the "Peaceful Protest Guards" created by the leaders of the protest as a sign to make peace with the police, protesters that threw bricks to the police were caught by the despicable guards and directly handed to the police. The road that protesters occupied with substantial casualties, turned out to be a singer's performance corner, a table tennis court and a hot pot restaurant, before the police cleared it. It's a humiliating defeat for the protesters, and some have completely lost hope to the city, until now. One guard, who is now a councillor, had turned up to the frontline, with protesters they had probably accused of destroying the peaceful nature of their protest and spies of the police. I thought it would ached my heart for us frontliners to even work with these guards civilly, but here I am now, standing at the same position, fighting for the same aim, albeit with different methods.
So what I would like to say is that, these russian kids probably did not have much experience of protest (comparing to hong kong, we had a 30 year history of peaceful protest lol), so I guess it is explainable they did not have the right attitude towards the protest. Hong Kong citizens are not allowed to join the army or have any army like training (in hindsight the PRC probably made a good decision on their advantage), so in terms of force, I do think russian kids have more potential than us. Back in hong kong, there are parts of protest that are not to my liking, but I would still participate in it, because 1 is a pretty damn large number in every protest.
(all: no tldr plox)

Why stick around, sos? Seems like PRC will inevitably win this; pan-democracy and localists have been shut out of government in spite of popular support, and the CPC will always respond with increased violence.

You have the numbers to guillotine them and start a local war, but even then you won't get international support cause who's really gonna fuck with China? Their rivals are also dependent on their trade and don't have the political will to fight the world's #2 military.

This just looks so doomed if you try litigating through any form of political (incl. protest and revolution) means.

How do you have any hope for this?

@Sound_of_silence:"So what I would like to say is that, these russian kids probably did not have much experience of protest (comparing to hong kong, we had a 30 year history of peaceful protest lol), so I guess it is explainable they did not have the right attitude towards the protest". You see,Russia has also been rebelling for 30 years, after collapse of USSR. But it's not how many people are protesting, it's who lead the protest. 90,s-Country collapsed, traitors in power, poverty and despair, and all Russians protested. And the one who spoke the language of the people-enjoyed great respect. Commies, Nazis, right, left-all protested. But 1st president of Russia resigned and Putin took power in his hands. What happened to the opposition? And here is an example - Dimitri Rogozin-right politician, member of "Russian marches", know where he is now? In prison? In USA? No! He leader of Roskosmos(Russian Space). The one who had to think of capture of Ukraine,now thinks of capture of the moon. But most of the opposition was...forgotten! Few will remember who is...for example...Alexander Barkashov, he leader of RNE,at the time he could easily take to the streets of Moscow hundreds of Nazis. Or communist Viktor Anpilov who can easily take to the streets of Moscow 500 000 Russians! Now liberals(the most active oppositionists) can take to streets of Moscow(according to the highest estimates)-50 000 Russians! I think this is all due to the fact that there is no strong leader and because of the discrediting of the words "democracy" and "liberalism". In fact, the same thing with the communists and nationalists. Someone gave up,someone"blew away". In general, the Russians, tired of Putin, support him, considering " better bad than terrible"

Funny that I and sound of silence are the only Hongkongers on here.

As a Taiwanese, I feel bad for the situation in Hong Kong. Neither the Protest nor the international community were able to deal any serious influence to mainland China. So China will probably just wait it over and got their way inevitably. A devastating outcome to Hong Kong, and a looming disaster to future Taiwan.