Darwin dit not say: "Survival of the fittest". That was Herbert Spencer.

Darwin did say:"It is not the strongest or the most intelligent who will survive but those who can best manage change."

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I will make an actual point that nobody raised yet.

Evolution is dependent on variety. Variety of different species in an ecosystem, but also diversity within species. Even if a feature or behaviour of an individual is maladaptive, it doesn't mean it should be evolved out of existence. The environment can change, then the survival of the species might depend on that previously maladaptive behaviour. That's why we have fucking morons like Julkorn, they might come in handy as a human shield or a toboggan or something.

btw

And yes, there is no specific source that it is mostly men forcing their women to abort which I know of, but just some notion of mine. But I will have a look, if I can find one, because I am quite sure that I am right on that one.

Abortion and contraception, ie, a woman having control over her own reproductive system, is an important part of women's sexual liberation. Fascistic chauvinists, like you, try to stop those things, not force women into them. [spits in julkorn's face]

Should I go on about this upcoming rule of PC? How does Evolution explain Political Correctness and its power, siphoning in all people, making them into obedient followers?


this is one of my favourite things that i have ever read. thank you julkorn, i love you and your 15th century mindset.

Funny thing is X that Julkorn badly misses the irony in his own comment :)

(Replace PC with theocracy and Evolution with history)

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Look out the window. The beauty of spring. If I would say the concept of beauty or aesthetics is a proof of god, the answer would be that it's an evolutionary adaptation. So if it does fit you call upon Evolution. If it does not fit, you call the messenger a moron, evolutionary complexity being far above his comprehension.
That makes me think. If a scientist stumbles upon a bad message, chance is, he would nuke it. How many heroes are out there? The game is rigged. The reign of Evolution is just like a leftist system. In a leftist system guys pointing out reality are killed all day long.
Know what? When guys are singing their mantra "EVIDENCE, EVIDENCE, WE GOT IT", I got my doubts.

There was just a guy making headlines in German tabloid BILD. He killed his girlfriend over a pregnancy, because she didn't want to abort. Outrage was not the killing, but that he got a relatively light sentence due to his cultural background. Killing their pregnant girlfriends or trying to kick the baby out of their bellys in order to force a do-it-yourself-abortion is no outrage anymore.

To me it is very plausible: A woman got a relationship to her child inside her womb. A man does not see the child nor feel it. A man only sees the problems, the responsibilities, the financial changes and therefore he is afraid. I heard that leftist dogma that X is so feverishly reciting, too. I doubt it. The socially accepted option of an abortion is another tool to damage women and to force them into something they would rather not choose themselves. I am quite sure that this is the truth, no matter of leftist spiteful hatred.

So women only get abortions because they are forced to by men. Interesting. I guess you learn something new every day.

You are taking my statement as an absurd extreme. You know it. I know it.

Point is, small girls would think of their future children. They would not think of killing their future children.

And this is actually meant a statement as extreme as you could take it.

Therefore I presume, abortion will be a decision that very likely comes with an impact from outside, be it partial or be it decisive or in-between. Of course, little girls grow and might become someone else than they used to be. Right. I will not rule that out. Not only men are evil, mind you.

why is it that men feel pain when a relationship ends?

Because in short, is love. Humans are sociable. When a human becomes attached to another, whether friendly or deeper. A person will eventually come to rely on that person, care about their well being as much as their own and begin to care for both of their needs, in large or minute ways. After time, the feeling of "love" arises. Now when one person in the relationship is suddenly severed from the other half of the relationship, a feeling of loss develops. This is the "Pain" described, its sadness and emptiness, after all one person put their trust in another, and in naive human thought, believed it would last forever. However it didn't and thus he was not prepared for the loss.
Now I am religious individual, I believe in god, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. However, unlike some of my other christian counterparts, I understand that not all of the stories in the bible are true, they are merely representations on morality. Now I believe that God did not "create" humanity. I believe that God seeded the universe we live in with life, and that through time, and yes evolution, life spread, grew, and developed. Now if life on earth started long after the creation of the universe, how is there life? Now that is the true question, some argue the seeds of life were here and conditions were ripe to jump start, while some argue we were, "seeded" by comets, asteroids, or something "else". Now I believe, life on earth was simply formed from the pieces already here. Humanity is something else altogether. Whether you want to hear it or not, Humanity was "influenced" by something, whether by god himself or visitors from somewhere else, there is a definite non human influence on society, as there was supposedly no contact between the ancients of the world, yet their cultures developed with the same legends and similar architectural styles.

That's off topic, however, humans feel sad at the loss of a partner simply because of love. We feel love when we get attached, and wen we lose it, we lose the love.

The point is; what is love? I believe it is the security of a sexual partner (having a reliable source of reproduction is something for the fittest to do).

At least you got the necessary "It's not related to basic Evolution" because it is not, psychologic evolution would be totaly different, invented by humans, for humans, nothing like biology...
I just wanted to give a sum up of how Evolution works, on its purely scientist part. I don't intend to go into details, but just to explain the idea.

The main thing, is that mutations happen randomly, everytime, in any living existence's Dna. It's not due to any nature god, it's just that we're all exposed to many mutagenic agents in our everyday life, as the Uv from the Sun for example. Most of the times, those slights changes are quickly corrected, and nothing happens. But, in very rare cases, those mutations stay. And an addition of several mutations, transmitted throught hundred of years and generations could lead to a new feature.
This is totally random, and it's how life improves, by groping. This is called genetic drift, and leads to creation or disappearance of new abilities, functions, looks....


In addition to that, there is what is called natural selection. It's the fact that features increasing the chances to stay alive for an individual are getting more and more developed. With our current human society, it's a bit distorted. Because at least in a big part of the world, men with the biggest musculature for example, aren't really more likely to survive than others like it used to be in the beginning of humanity. And death factors are less and less related to genetical ancestry.

However, you would easily agree that trisomics aren't very numerous in society, and it's quite realted to their genetical problem.(I didn't try to find out if they can have children or not, that's not the matter and just an example, it could be another genetic affliction)They're less likely to survive and won't for sure be dominent in humanity in the future, it's just logical.

But a more interesting example even nowadays, could be the SCD : Sickle Cell anemia ( Not sure if it's the right name). it's a genetic disease that changes the 3d form of red cells and leads to many blood-related complications. But the people suffering from SCD is way more resisting to malaria. And that's why SCD is probably the most spread genetic disease currently, particularly in Africa where malaria is very active. Humans with the SCD are most likely to survive in those areas, due to of malaria's threat.

Looking at what some of you wrote, I felt necessary to sum up that. You seem to indentify "nature" as a god, and scientists as his prayers. It's nothing like that, human figured out those ideas to explain what was happening, but nothing is fixed and human behavior can change most of what we interpreted in life's evolution.

Edit: Thx Richard, I changed.

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To add to Marc's point, evolution is a very slow process. Human society and technology are changing much more quickly and thus many traits that might have been very useful 3000 years ago (not long ago in evolutionary terms) are no longer and might even be detrimental.

Also, what with the rapid rise in genetic technologies that have already occurred and are likely to come to pass in the near future, evolution in the Darwinian sense may have already ceased to be the driving factor in determining the change of the human genetic content. This is a debatable point, but what isn't is that evolution is far too slow a process to be able to capture a relatively recent trend that like declining birth rates or increasing abortion rates.

Marc, you got anemia right but I think you might want malaria for paludism, or at least that is the common English name for it.

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Love.
Possibly one of the hardest things humans have a concept of. Love is and always will change. It is not a "thing" it is a "feeling". Many people feel love in many different ways. Though, for the sake of space i'll phrase it this way. Love is a feeling of attachment, and in humans, love is finding the one person you can spend the rest of your life with. Usually someone who shares the same feelings on various topics with you, and you two can get along well. Love arises when a relationship becomes serious, not the childish love of when you are first seeing someone, but the love you feel when you realize, that you want the other to be with you forever and you cant live without that other person by your side, and you cant remember how you functioned without them. Love is passion, passion is by definition, complete devotion. Love is when you want, by basic instinct and by human feeling, want to be with someone, not even sexually, for that is shallow urge, you want to be with them, laugh, cry, argue, love, grow old with, that's love.
@Arun, I hope that helped.

hell bender, that was so beautiful. how could anybody say god doesn't exist after reading that?

Thank you.

you're very welcome, young man.

Doesn't convince me. I cannot believe that love is some magic feeling, and unique to humans. Many species feel Ina similar way, and at the end of the day there is a reason for this. If it is derived from devotion, as you suggested, than this devotion has a reason. Why couldn't this reason be that you have appeared to have found the perfect mate; the one with the most favourable mutations/genes to pass on to your offspring.

@Arun, I understand what your saying, but what your asking is beyond Human Cognitive function. We don't know is the simple answer. Have you ever been in love? Then you know the feeling, explain it. Explain how you feel love. I sure as hell can't explain to you what it feels like to be in love from my own experience, as I would surely fill up the 10,000 Character limit easily. So go ahead, tell me. What is love?

All I can tell you is that it is what I stated above, and that, there are certain chemical reactions within the brain, that activate genes within your DNA that tell your brain that your significant other is good to bear your offspring, but humans in their very nature are not this cold. There are HUMAN emotions tied in. Animals love too, as you say. But they do not love the same way we do, the closest to human love we see on a daily basis is from Dogs. Now dogs share 75% of our DNA. Thats 25% percent that they have differently than us. Dogs, feel love, you know that, I know that, but they feel it differently than we do, that much you can also believe. Now you want to speak on the topic of devotion, humans have to option of deciding who they wish to devote themselves too, as do most animals. I'm no scientist, I'm talking out of my ass and a 10th grade education, but devotion is separate chemical sequencing in the brain, that can coincide with love, but does not always have too.

what did i just read

X, you actually read it?!

You read what I wrote, and how, to the best of my ability, attempted to explain to Arun what love is.