@Elohim quick side bar. Scandinavian countries have the highest *reported* rape rates of the developed nations. That is a crucial point to make, as it then begs the question are more rapes happening in Scandinavian countries, or are just more reported because they have system in place that encourages reporting, or that their society uses a different functional definition of the word 'rape' (IE do you count drunk sex as rape, coercive sex as rape, sex with a minor as rape, etc.) I guess this, isn't really a subject I want to get into a debate over, because I kinda am on your side of this weird debate you are having with Njord, but you need to be intellectually honest about the claims you make.

well if everyone is getting the same salaray for the same work, when adjusted for the things in the studies i cited, then the studies are simply wrong. But i must say i chose then to believe the studies instead of your anecdotal evidence.....

also even if the gap is due to 'something we don't know that we don't know', but this is not discriminatory, i.e sexism." then its still there

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"no u"

@Njord: Your studies must be carried out by 5 year olds, if a company could get away with paying women less, they would only hire women!

@Joey: Not only do Scandinavian countries have the highest reported rape cases, but women are afraid of reporting rape cases, they are shut down by their justice system, and anybody that points it out is labelled a bigot, as 95% of rape is carried out by refugees.

@Trex: no u^2

i must also note that it have been some odd companies you have been at.... most places i have heard of gives salary on basis of negotiations, so that people in the same jobs does not in fact get the same salary

If it is on basis on negotiation then I don't know. Here in the UK they offer vacancies for specific positions. I know however that if a company really wants a certain employee they are somewhat flexible with the salary, but not much, and this is usually only for managerial jobs.

Fuck advertisers, fuck gamers, fuck Fizzer, fuck women, fuck men, and most importantly, fuck jannies.

















this is just a joke, please don't smite me Fizzer-chan

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@elohim *exhails forcefully while shaking his head from side to side slowly*

95% of rape

source?

@Trex: https://sputniknews.com/europe/201711011058722257-sweden-rape-migrants-debate/

The 95% stat is only for Sweden sorry, not whole of Scandinavia, but I am sure rest is not too far behind.

Please read, it is a very serious issue that modern batshit crazy fat pink haired feminists ignore. If you live in Sweden, contact your local politician and raise this issue with them.

Instead, we have female Monopoly board, genuinely pisses me off.

so you dont get more in wage in the uk for years worked at the company, or special skills or courses or work performance? And all the jobs that have the same titel have the exact same tasks?just one job and one salary.

and how does wage negotiation take place after your hired?

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@Njord: But these are not due to discriminatory practices. Was that not the point of this debate? Whether or not there is gender discrimination?

the only thing i have said is that there is an adjusted wage gap. I have stated this because thats what labour economics shows. You then wont accept that, even if thats what the economic science says.

now i want to understand how the following can be true

"I have been an accounting intern at 3 separate companies, and I have never seen any individual, be it man or woman, receive a higher paycheck than anyone else when they have the same position. "

the reason for this, is that it seems like an obvious impossibility

The job title is let's say "Junior Accountant", this job will pay at £28,500 per year for whoever applies and gets the job. For jobs like this, salaries are identical for anybody with that job title. Then we would have "Business Developers" for example, who would earn a base income, which is the same for everyone with that job title, let's say £32,000 and a bonus reflective of their performance, which varies, but bonuses differ in a few hundred pounds generally, nothing like 33% difference.
Salaries do rise to try and keep up with inflation in some companies (not sure how many), by about 1-2%, but this increase is the same for everyone.

It is possible employees negotiate higher salaries, but I would assume this is a very small fraction of the total labour force.

but nobody is saying anything about 33%, but ofc you will hold onto that number otherwise you would not be right. So no negotiations about wages, and everyone is getting the same salary based on job title and not on any specific tasks they do or how long they have been there, special qualifications or (most ) job performance.... ok, and i who went thinking that the soviet union was collapsed.

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Silly Europeans

@Njord: That sounds pretty accurate tbh, maybe you didnt hear, but in the 18th century division of labour was implemented into the rising capitalist economic system, which we now live in. It makes us easily replaceable as employees, so unless you are high up, you will most likely have a monotonous job with monotonous tasks for the rest of your life, it is a reason why a lot of people have midlife crisis.


Edit: It makes us easily replaceable as employees as well as making production of goods or services more efficient, in case you were going to call me out on that. Either way, more beneficial for the capitalist.

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from the office of national statistics GB



this is only bonuses not all the other factors that exist but on the other hand the office of national statistics could be wrong i assume

Some people are sexist, some aren't. Sometimes women get more then men, sometimes men more then women, sometimes they're about the same. Sometimes it's about culture, sometimes politics, sometimes the life choices of individuals, too many factors involved here.

@Njord: I literally don't know what point you are trying to make with that graph.

@goodgame: Yes, I agree.