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New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-10-15 22:20:57


ps 
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thanks for organizing this, much bigger turn out then expected, hope it goes well :)

i'm a bit confused on how many games there will be overall, it says it's swiss tournament based but with this many teams, doing 6 maps with each will take ages. or are we not supposed to play everyone? in that case, how did you define the seeding matchups of what countries play against each other?

it's just i thought we would have 12 games per nation match up, 2 on each of the 6 templates, but on round 1 everyone seems to be playing guiroma O_o

Edited 10/15/2019 22:24:01
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-10-16 00:05:13


Viking1007
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@ps, there are 6 rounds total. Each player plays 2 games per round IF you have a team of 6. If a team of less than 6, some players will have to play 3 games. So, after the 6 rounds, most players will play 12 games. I think, o is it each player plays 12 games per round and 144 in the whole tournament. IDK. Wait, no. IT is each TEAM will play 144 games at the end of ALL the rounds.

edit - Each player plays 2 games per round making 12 game per team per round. At the end of all 6 rounds each player will have played 12 games, (unless he is benched) and each team will have played 144 games. Unless a player doesn't join a game, that counts as a loss, but he would not have technically played the game so he would have played 1 game.

Edited 10/16/2019 11:20:28
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-10-16 00:22:49


Roi Joleil
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Viking, i just got notified that you killed someones brain with your last comment.

pls remove your comment as soon as possible or a law suit from the now dead person will happen.
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-10-16 05:50:10


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@ps Each round is on a different template and there are 6 rounds total. Each player plays 2 games per round unless you have less than a full team of 6, then some players will have to play 3 games.

I don't know if Rento has released the secrets of his seeding algorithm, but I believe it is based on 1v1 ladder performance.

Edited 10/16/2019 05:51:02
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-10-16 06:31:59


ps 
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alright.

but 6 rounds total only? not very defining who is the winner then, top teams might not even play against each other. o_O

considering how many teams there are it should probably be like a qualifiers round and then top 8 have a final tournament or something O_o

Edited 10/16/2019 06:33:29
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-10-16 07:02:54

Rento 
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3 days after game creation, some players still didnt join their games. I mailed their team contacts so that they know.
I dont want autolosses for non-joins, so I give a total of 6 days time to join the games (3 days have already gone, so only 3 more days are left).

After 3 more days, if I see a player still didnt join and they dont have the vacation tag, I delete these games and give autolosses.

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yeah ps the turnout is awesome, as you know I expected around 80 players and we have over 220 :D

like Glass explained, your team plays 12 games each round. 6 rounds total, each on a different map.

6 rounds is enough to accomodate 2^6=64 teams and determine a clear winner. Swiss tournament is still a tournament and not a Round Robin after all.

FIrst matchups were made according to seeding, and as for seeding I'd rather not disclose the details of how it was made. For simplicity let's just say it's 100% my subjective opinion (although it isn't tbh).

Edited 10/16/2019 07:58:10
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-10-16 07:17:55


Njord
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new game..... who can first find the criteria that rento used for the seeding
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-10-16 07:32:11


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@ps The matchups aren't made randomly. On the second template, the winners will be matched against each other etc. So during six rounds, the very best teams will face each other at some point.
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-10-16 11:21:38


Viking1007
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Viking, i just got notified that you killed someones brain with your last comment.

pls remove your comment as soon as possible or a law suit from the now dead person will happen


I just made it more complicated and detailed.
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-10-16 11:50:26


Phakh Gokhn 
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I just saw that Hellas are not fighting anyone. How will this effect their rankings? Right now there are 19 match ups. so 19 teams would win and 19 teams would lose, hence Hellas staying in the middle.
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-10-16 12:29:38

Samwise 
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I guess Helllas will take a win with a score 24-0.
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-10-16 14:23:11


Roi Joleil
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"I just made it more complicated and detailed."

so you wont remove it? no respect to the dead...
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-10-16 15:06:52


Jefferspin 
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FIrst matchups were made according to seeding, and as for seeding I'd rather not disclose the details of how it was made. For simplicity let's just say it's 100% my subjective opinion (although it isn't tbh).

So happy you cleared that up.
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-10-16 17:56:10


Phobos 
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@Rento

Are the individual player matchups between teams random?
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-10-16 18:04:03

JustinR17 
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Yes, individual player matchups are randomized. I created scripts for Rento to handle randomization and unique pairing.

Edited 10/16/2019 18:04:53
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-10-16 21:00:02

Rento 
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Player matchups are random as Justin explained.

As for Hellas, they got a bye. Simply imagine there's a team that's so bad that it loses all its games to anyone who's paired against them. That's the bye team.
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-10-16 21:13:26


(ง︡'-'︠)ง let's fight!! 
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I am a supporter of the bye team
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-10-16 21:16:29


Phakh Gokhn 
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I think it's boring not to get to play a single game in the round. How this bye system work through other rounds? Especially during the last round?
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-10-16 21:35:32


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This looks fun, good luck to all teams. Nations, I mean.

Is the colour coding in the result sheet according to expected result?

Some formatting suggestions:
some borders would be nice
I like the colour coding, but green should not be the standard colour then

I think how to decide on seeding and matchmaking is interesting and would appreciate it if you explain it in detail.
The sheet says you used 1v1 ladder performance as an indicator, why the secrecy here?
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-10-16 21:40:49


Phakh Gokhn 
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I got another question, what happens if both teams get tied? Like both of them get 12:12?
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