Cyclic move Greece is clearly the most controversial template. There are people who absolutely hate this and there are people who love this. So I see no point in returning to random move this edition, although I agree, it's best if there's just 1 verions of every template and if I wanted cyclic move, I should have chosen something else completely.
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-09-25 13:59:55
Many people ask about it. So I'll clarify: the system I'm using is totally different from CL system.
Here's how it works:
1st round, played on Guiroma template.
Every team plays 12 games on Guiroma, so a full 6-player team will have 2 games per player.
After 21 days, 2nd round starts, this time all games are on French Brawl.
So all your players play French Brawl now
etc, until the final 6th round, which should start on 26th January 2020.
Also to keep in mind, you can put a player on a bench and have other people play instead of him on some particular template(s). They would then play 3 games instead of 2. It comes with a small penalty to max points though, as explained in the spreadsheet I linked in the opening post. Still it could be worth it if someone really hates some template(s).
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-09-26 07:29:40
- How do you plan to decide the pairings? Based on team ranking? Standard swiss or accelerated pairings? - Why is there at this point no possibility to change Strat Greece back to non-cyclic move order?
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-09-26 08:02:06
I have an algorithm that ranks teams from favourites at top to weaker teams going down. I use this algorithm after signup deadline to seed teams. So before October 12th I have no idea what team will have what seed, including my own Poland team. I'm trying to make it as objective as I can. Then I do the pairing for 1st round.
I know 3 types of pairing systems used in Swiss: -adjecent pairing: 1st seed vs 2nd seed, 3rd vs 4th etc -fold pairing: best seed vs worst seed, second best vs second worst etc -slide pairing. With 16 teams participating it would be 1st seed vs 9th seed, 2nd vs 10th etc.
I don't know which one of these you consider standard Swiss, but I plan to go for slide pairing because it looks most enjoyable.
-- Like I said, I'm not changing Greece back to random move because a good number of people enjoy this change. I already have rules for this season, including templates chosen. I can change rules any time when I see a very good reason to do so, but I don't think we have a very good reason here. Cyclic Greece is controversial, but not overwhelmingly disliked.
@edit I thought about accelerated pairing but it comes with some disadvantages and I think 6 rounds for 16-32 teams is enough without it. I don't expect to get more than 32 teams.
Edited 9/26/2019 08:04:34
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-09-26 08:49:51
Hi Rento First thanks for organizing ! I understand with your pairing system is about which nation will meet which nation, isn't it? Once is drawn, let's imagine we have France vs Croatia (#remember15-07-2018), each french will meet 2 croatians. Will this be random, or do you have an algorithm here as well to see what french will meet what croatians?
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-09-26 08:53:15
Adjacent pairing seems not to have much sense, as after first round the first two teams will have the same total points of the last two teams. And 6 rounds is really short to have the swiss system working.
On the other hand, fold pairing may disadvantage weaker teams, again not much in line with swiss logic.
Slide pairing seems the best to me.
Aside from that, very happy you decided to avoid random move order. Fully support the choice :)
Edited 9/26/2019 13:06:17
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 2019-09-26 16:43:22
In the upcoming tourneys, I think you should give some more weight to luck factors, like mofifier, WR and random move. Theese aspects of the game tend to vanish
