Cowboy I agree your solution would be multitudes better, but I don't think it would make it impossible to game the ladder. As an example deliberately lose first few games so that progression is slow. Win the rest of your first 20. Start choosing games to finish and games to stall. Wait for those first few losses to expire while you replace them with high quality wins.

Honestly this is really easy to fix.
You don't get ranked until your first 20 games allocated to you are completed. So doesn't matter if you stall, you can't get that rank until all those games are complete.

And if someone you got a game against goes on vacation, you are just stuck unranked? That is not great.

You could make adjustments of course, but the idea still has merit.

I think asking someone to surrender is much better than stalling so why is everyone focused on the stalling.

Stalling in itself is a show of weakness for that player, as he's not skilled enough to get the trophy in an honest and a well deserved way. Asking to surrend just strengthens that weakness, as that player showed additionally, that he isn't skilled enough to even prevent 5 losses within his first 20 games, which does feature a lot of "easy" opponents.

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If you have to finish your first 20 allocated games, at some point someone's opponent will start stalling to prevent them from completing their 20th game and getting ranked.

I never understood why fizzer uses Bayes elo instead of standard elo. Even if you ignore the potential for Bayes to be abused, poor skill assessment over time, etc..., from a business standpoint, why would you use a system that encourages short runs instead of dedicated commitment by players that keeps them engaged for longer periods of time (assuming they are aiming for a trophy)? Even if they aren't aiming for a trophy, I figure most ladder players don't even know how the rating system works, and it could be very discouraging (and confusing) to see their ratings stagnate at +6-7 points/win and -15 points/loss due to the system even though they may have improved beyond what their rating suggests.

That's why the team ladders are so poor, no incentive to stay on cause 1 loss is near disastrous unless you win a ridiculous amount of games.

That's why the team ladders are so poor, no incentive to stay on cause 1 loss is near disastrous unless you win a ridiculous amount of games.

That's why the team ladders are so poor, no incentive to stay on cause 1 loss is near disastrous unless you win a ridiculous amount of games.

As the King and one of the pioneers of Stalling, gratz!

These posts are pointless. Seems like hate directed at novody. I doubt unicum read or care about this, just seems more spiteful than productive

I swear you used to lead the witch hunts back in the day. Did you have to change your stance on stalling when you invited nomercy into your clan?

whether or not I agree with stalling has nothing to do with how productive this thread is. also no mercy is my friend and there was no stalling in my clan while I was around, plenty of golden trophies tho, although that was probably a year ago not really relevant

Can tacky have my lawyer tag now?

also no mercy is my friend and there was no stalling in my clan while I was around, plenty of golden trophies tho

Did you get him to stop being a racist too?

why’s it get so personal i hesr you are a cheater too do you cheat on your wife too what kind of person are you really

yes

https://www.warzone.com/Forum/244206-congrats-rento

I just find it funny how you've done a complete backflip. It's a backflip I actually agree with though.

https://www.warzone.com/Forum/320345-stalling-consequences

As a community, we need to be able to point out obvious cases of stalling and shame them

And I just find it bizarre that you would call someone like nomercy your friend. If you think those are personal attacks - well, that's your problem.