FCC is full of wankers

Update of my earlier statement to clarify my stance as a member of the audit panel:



I can already see that is likely going to be case for the audit panel. Given the ongoing discussion, it's already clear now that no matter which decision is taken, people will want to amend it. Since Cowboy is in Masters, it may be appropriate that an independent body takes a look at this, but I have since been told that he will not take the decision (alone).

If this case were to end up at the audit panel, I would prefer the following structure. To avoid an overload of repeat discussion, can we bundle the evidence and arguments. Ideally, there'd be 4 "reports" on this case:

• One by the people taking the actual decision in which they explain their arguments for this ruling.
  
• One in which all arguments in favour of giving Masters the spot of Apprentice are summarized (focus on objective arguments and the rules, not flavour or subjective pro-Masters bias).
  
• One in which all arguments against giving Masters the spot of Apprentice are summarized (focus on objective arguments and the rules, not flavour or subjective anti-Masters bias).
  
• One by people who were around and involved in the writing of this rule detailed the process and reasoning of the rule and why and how it was applied in the past, this should not include a preference for a ruling in this case but inform the audit panel on the nature of precedents and earlier interpretation.

For the second and third report, people giving arguments in this topic best agree on someone who can summarize and collect the relevant information.
For the fourth report, this information has reached me already.

If necessary, the audit panel (me+Styxie) will have a look at these reports.

This post was edited to make it clear that I no way intend to pull this matter towards audit panel or that I believe audit panel should take the decision. This is and remains the responsability of the organisers or a panel appointed by them. (i.e. Cowboy, CL panel or an appropriately appointed panel such as Ethics) Audit panel will only be involved in people believe they did not follow the rules or fair judgement in their decision process.

Hence, the original post was made with the tone in this topic in mind. I perceive it to be very likely that there will be complaints afterwards and the audit panel will sadly have to be involved. Do note that I would actually prefer that this will not happen as I value my free time. If I had a lot of spare time for things like this, Clan Cup would still be up and running!

Consequently, you can ignore the instructions above for now (and hopefully they will not be needed).





For my personal opinion:

I don't know enough about it yet to have a strong opinion, but I find it hard to read through some of the reactions and general tone of discussion in this topic.
All I can say: if this is important for you, take the steps proposed above and present your arguments like a respectful reasonable adult. If it's not important, don't lose your sleep over it and don't behave like a troll bot, we have enough of those elsewhere on the internet.

Ok we have come up with a solution. Masters and Apprentice will merge into Blitz and Blitz will get a spot in CL A

How about.. no. We don't want Tito back

As an active member of MH, FCC, GG, and {101st}, I represent all my clans' unanimous decision to officially endorse Masters taking Apprentice's spot.

Edit: Edge's post summarizes the problem pretty well, only thing is that most clans don't have enough members to actually field two teams.

Edited 4/9/2020 17:47:39

Give the spot to [20]

Darklords should be the clan to get the spot since there #1 on the clan page

Math wolf since when has this anything to do with the audit panel? The audit panel is there to check if the decisions of the ethics panel are correct, so you honestly got not a single thing to say about this topic since the rules are clear. If you took the trolling attempts asking for a decision by the audit panel seriously i feel sorry for your wasted time. Also, there is probably a need to replace styxie since she wasn't active for quite a while on warzone.

I already talked to MW about it and told him it's not his responsibility to make a ruling on this. It's being talked over by the ethics panel.

As far as Styxie, I agree, but I'll probably wait a bit to open up applications to the CL Panel, Audit Panel, and Ethics Panel.

As an active member of MH, FCC, GG, and {101st}, I represent all my clans' unanimous decision to officially endorse Masters taking Apprentice's spot.

Nah, M'Hunters doesn't care about that.


I don't like those training clans because I find it humiliating joining a clan which is beta by definition. However that's just me. If you see it differently then that's like you ordering Budweiser while I prefer good German Hefeweizen. The waitress takes our orders with neither of us having to justify ourself for being a bad person.

Turtles will follow Xeno's beautiful example and also boycott the league if we don't get the Masters/Apprentice spot in whatever division they have a spot. Then again, we also boycott the league if we do get the spot, so it doesn't really matter I guess

As an active member of MH, FCC, GG, and {101st}, I represent all my clans' unanimous decision to officially endorse Masters taking Apprentice's spot.

Havent heard a GG player about this Dr. Ape....

But honestly, I personally dont care much about this question.
Why not adding a slot to Div. A?
And then 3 relegations instead of 2 in every division and everything is fine again.

Edited 4/9/2020 21:09:00

It's a meme on discord. He's never been in but 2 of those clans.

Also that doesn't really solve anything. They think that Masters should have to start from D rather than Apprentices current spot, even though all Apprentice earned the spot.

Also this would mean another C clan like Discovery would get into B and likely get destroyed.

An extra C clan into B is not necessary.
Even if apprentice retracts from the CL then only 1 clan has to relegate from A to make space for the two promoted clans from B.

Well if you guys can’t make an agreement then I think the clanleaders of the currently participating clans of all divions should vote. So 1 vote per clan.

I will repeat myself. No taxation without representation! Also Turtles are cooler anyway so they should get the spot.

is this a problem that i am too much of a Hawk To Understand?

(my joke got tastless as i went from front to back my bad)

Edited 4/9/2020 21:56:55

Nice cock Nico (really cool clan logo). Anyway it's disappointing to see this board-line immoral behaviour , people don't take the integrity of clan league seriously enough.

It's about time Cowboy , Min and Rakleader and other biased individuals to do the right thing. By stepping down and letting some more responsible members of the community lead instead. Personally I'd suggest Bonsai and ZeroblindDragon but I'm up for hearing other suggestions.

@goralgn were you mailed by someone about this thread as well?

No i was bored so i was browsing the forum

And i have 1 question

Where is the audit Panel i couldnt find it?