Well im going to bed its 1 am here

See you tomorrow!

Oh btw, in case you missed the good old arguments or just want some more stuff to read. We had a similar albeit briefer discussion in the CL 11 announcement thread.

https://www.warzone.com/Forum/327517-clan-league-11-announcements?Offset=0

@soldier of orange
I don't think you understand. This isn't a contested spot like with outlaws and 101st. Apprentice has no plans to play CL.
If Masters starts in D they aren't replacing anybody, they're getting replaced by someone from C.


Also voting is just putting stuff in the court of public opinion, and is a bad idea.

post for Xenophon

post for Xenophon(2)

post for Xenophon(2)

post for Xenophon(3)

From my personal opinion, the main issue is that Masters have history of cheating in CL with help of CL authorities occupied by them. This situation resembles old times way too much to not notice.

Btw, this is nothing like MoD suddendly got idea of merge, as it was presented here. It was planned the whole time, since Masters stopped playing CL due to "too few players (who they would recruit easily, if they actually want to)". I suspected publicly (here in forum) 18 months ago that they will return only to A . I got response from Cowboy (ordinary player back at the time) in like of "Shut up Ethic panel scum". (I cannot find the post unfortunately) Now he is head of CL and my prediction turned out to be correct. I only wonder why he responded this way. Why they wanted to keep this secret? What is hidden from sight of community again?

In the past, Masters claimed two CL titles while happily breaking rules Deadman and Beren mercilessly forced on everyone else. They keep bragging about it although literally everyone knows the circumstances. This clan just have shady reputation. And they wonder why people are complaining about their next weird action. You guys did this to yourselves.

Yes. I would like to thank my fellow members of the anti-ethics panel movement :

FiveStarGeneral :


rakleader :


Farah :


Platinum :


Xenophon :


Jefferspin :


And our implant into the panel, Reza :


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In all seriousness, why would Masters wait until CL13 to claim Apprentice's spot, when they would start in B most likely? Why would you not decide to do it at the beginning of this CL when we're in A.

Imo, this shows clear bias against Masters by an Ethics Panel Member, and as a result you cannot be trusted to make a fair ruling.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406780233325346818/698004885966159932/unknown.png

In the past, Masters claimed two CL titles while happily breaking rules Deadman and Beren mercilessly forced on everyone else. They keep bragging about it although literally everyone knows the circumstances. This clan just have shady reputation. And they wonder why people are complaining about their next weird action. You guys did this to yourselves.

The job of a member of an ethics panel is to place their personal opinions on the matter aside. That means that, in regards to assessing any situation or case, to remove oneself from unrelated/unlikely to be related occurrences. Now, I can understand this kind of statement from the ethics panel if it was found that Beren or Deadman were to be Actually plotting to use this rule to cheat, but there is absolutely no evidence of this.

Therefore, hypothetically conjuring what masters could be be planning because they have a "shady reputation" is absurd. And this is especially absurd coming from a member of the ethics panel who should be avoiding to do just that.

If I was a member of the ethics panel, I would do my utmost to suspend my personal bias, and look at the information and arguments given to me as objectively as possible. I would not be trying to think up potential conspiracies or hypothetical scenarios. Such a proposition is ridiculous for one of our members of the ethics panel.

I would like to request the audit panel analyze psykkoman's statement and determine if it is appropriate for a member of the ethics committee to make such a statement.

Edited 4/10/2020 03:07:15

i keep hearing audit panel and ethics panel But Where are they?

Apex will happily take over the spot from Apprentice. We even share the same first two letters.

OwO
What's this?

MASTER plan by MASTER clan?

@goralgn:

ethics panel is of 5 members: min, psykko, edge, reza and red army.
audit panel is of 2 members: mathwolf and styxie.

psykkoman is right.

i would even take it a step further and remove masters the 2 cl trophies and award them to the second placed clan.

since beren made a football analogy earlier, when juventus was caught cheating in the season 2005-06, they lost all their points, the trophy of the first place and were relegated to the second division.

I agree with the above post.

Lynx did something naughty in one of the CL's too, where we finished 2nd, I don't care if it was a small minor incident, lynx are confirmed cheaters. Therefore we've won CL9. So by your logic Irise, Outlaws should be awarded the CL9 win.

Thank you, everyone.

Edited 4/10/2020 13:19:21

Why stop there, we should imprison them all and starve them. We can all eat popcorn as they watch us from their jail cells. Then I can be like “Blitz is recruiting, motherfuckers”. Then everyone will laugh and be like “Man that Blitz clan is super cool, let’s be best friends with them. All hail the supreme leader!”

Then Blitz takes Lynx spot in CL A.

@IRiseYouFall

"i would even take it a step further and remove masters the 2 cl trophies and award them to the second placed clan.

since beren made a football analogy earlier, when juventus was caught cheating in the season 2005-06, they lost all their points, the trophy of the first place and were relegated to the second division."

since you guys did a football analogy i wanna do one of my own

i wanna point out this situation more resembles what happened between Mk Dons and AFC Wimbeldon

This info was taken from wikipedia

Wimbledon Football Club was an English football club formed in Wimbledon, south-west London, in 1889 and based at Plough Lane from 1912 to 1991. Founded as Wimbledon Old Centrals,[n 1] the club were a non-League team for most of their history. Nicknamed "the Dons" and latterly also "the Wombles", they won eight Isthmian League titles, the FA Amateur Cup in 1963 and three successive Southern League championships between 1975 and 1977, and were then elected to the Football League. The team rose quickly from obscurity during the 1980s and were promoted to the then top-flight First Division in 1986, just four seasons after being in the Fourth Division.

Wimbledon's "Crazy Gang"—so-called because of the boisterous, eccentric behaviour of the players—won the FA Cup in 1988, beating that season's League champions Liverpool, and thereby became one of only three clubs to have won both the FA Cup and its amateur counterpart.[n 2] In 1991, following the publication of the Taylor Report recommending all-seater grounds for top-flight clubs, Wimbledon left Plough Lane to groundshare with nearby Crystal Palace at Selhurst Park—an originally temporary arrangement that ended up lasting over a decade. The team remained in the First Division and its successor the FA Premier League until they were relegated in 2000.

In 2001, after rejecting a variety of possible local sites and others further afield, the club announced its intention to move 56 miles (90 km) north to Milton Keynes in Buckinghamshire. The idea of Wimbledon leaving south London was deeply unpopular, both with the bulk of the club's established fanbase and with football supporters generally, but an independent commission appointed by the Football Association granted permission in May 2002. A group of supporters, appalled by the decision, responded by forming a new club, AFC Wimbledon, to which the large majority of Wimbledon fans immediately switched allegiance.Wimbledon F.C. played their first match in Milton Keynes in 2003 and changed their name to Milton Keynes Dons in 2004.




this is the closest thing football has to masters rising to cl a/b

link for the wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wimbledon_F.C.

if they cheated to win titles then juventus comparison makes sense

Edited 4/10/2020 14:27:03

This was Wasted Post reply my bad

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