and @beren, your story couldn't be more wrong even if you tried.

Andrea Agnelli will purchase SPAL, but he will also change the crest and name of the club to Juventus! However, he will also bring in Cristiano Ronaldo, Dybala and a few other Juventus stalwarts, who having served their bans are eligible to play again. After a lengthy debate, the people of Ferrara agree to the proposal.

this is a wrong comparison to what is happening with apps and masters. apps is not changing their crest or name to MASTER. if you look here https://www.warzone.com/Clans/?ID=245 , it still says Apprentice.

the right story should be:
juventus is not participating at all in the league cause they cheated, in none of the divisions, so Agnelli comes and tells all the spal players to join Juventus and in return Juventus will take Spal's position in the second division(???) because they do not want to start in the lowest tier. And now, spal, if they buy new players and want to play in the league again, have to start in D.

now tell us, when has that happened before?

" if the 3 active players in masters want to play cl, they are free to move to apps, just like pardon, xeno, farah, jeff, etc did."

exactly!! But apparently the tag is important for master

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and this is not even a real merge, this is a predatory practice. if this thing goes through, and masters plays in B, then think about the roster for a moment. it will be exactly the same as apps has right now cause neither rufus and timi are going to play in B. the rest of players in masters are retired.

if there were 2 real life companies where one has 0 euros in profit (company A) and the other has over 10 billion(company B), you do not see B joining A, but A joins B.

but the sad thing is, this is a pointless thread, cause this "merge" is in cowboy's interest and fits his agenda and as long as he is in charge, "masters" will play in B next season.

plat and the rest of his clan are geniuses for being able to win a case like this and making outlaws play in A.

@Beren: I agree JSA is missing.

It was just a point of consideration. Of course players do the clan, in general. But to take a decision on winning slots for a team tournament, where players can often go, split, or fusion with different clans, there is a lot of different situations that can be a mess to judge. Anyway, if we start on this hypothesis, the answer of this question is quite obvious.

One clan to rule them all. One clan to find them all.
one clan to bring them all. And bind them in the shadows, in the land of warzone.

You mortals better dont defy Masters orders, or you will be relegated to de Depth division!

So far no cheese has been returned, clearly a French conspiracy to deprive us of true joy.

Beren gets the best post award, I love the detail and am shocked at the level of footballing knowledge from an American.

We can talk about hypothetical scenarios in which the rule fails. I would be the first to admit that they exist. However, I challenge you to come up with a perfect rule.

I can easily concoct a scenario in which your rule that the tag is paramount produces an entirely unfair outcome. What if someone gains manager rights to a clan and boots out all the members. Fizzer can give back control of a clan to the person who purchased it, but that person is inactive and nobody can reach them. Now all the players who have been booted from the clan create a new clan. Should they now have to start from the bottom?

In this concrete example, 100% of the active members of Apprentice are now in Masters. In its essence, it is the same as the above example minus the coercion.

People are also saying that the Apprentice players who are moving to Masters will now have fewer opportunities to play because Masters players will take all the slots from them, but if that doesn't bother them, why should it bother you? It's not like they are unaware of this, yet they still wanted to join Masters, just like they wanted mod and Motoki to play for them this season. And in any case, the same would apply if all Masters players joined Apprentice.

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A very heated topic of discussion. I think I'll take mt shirt off.

A very heated topic of discussion. I think I'll take mt shirt off.

Nice to see the big dogs of FC are back

Let Masters have the spot, everyone is better for it

Im here with only one year and I just hate it.

Friends send me a picture where MoD say "fuck you" to IRiseYouFall and none say nothing. Just fake community. Ridiculous!

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=33411

Feel free to join everyone! Joining counts as excuse to everyone of masters you insulted in that thread btw

Friends send me a picture where MoD say "fuck you" to IRiseYouFall and none say nothing. Just fake community. Ridiculous!

Thats because he was reacting to "but the sad thing is, this is a pointless thread, cause this "merge" is in cowboy's interest and fits his agenda and as long as he is in charge, "masters" will play in B next season. " which is a disgusting statement and this attitude is exactly why nobody organizes CL for more than 2 or 3 seasons. People going complete conspiracy theory on stuff and bashing leaders because they dont agree with something. Nobody likes seeing this comment which is why nobody said anything about it.

Wow, this thread is ridiculous. I've seem my fair share of clan league drama, and I thought this issue was settled with the 101st/Outlaws conundrum.

I remember Beren or Deadman saying something a while back when 101st were floating ideas about taking over FCC's slot via using this rule. He said that the spirit of the rule was to ensure that the community of players could continue to play for the appropriate slot. The idea is that if the majority of players leave to another clan, they keep the slot since they are the de facto continuation of that community. Therefore it would had not be appropriate if 101st were to have used the rule at the time since FCC had been disbanded at this point and that community had ceased to exist. (For the record it would have only worked had I joined 101st, which I was waffling about at the time).

Now, by masters bringing in Apprentice players, is that an active continuation of the Apprentice community? I would say yes. Masters had barely any active players in it before this merger. By bringing in the active community Apprentice, they players in Masters who were in apprentice do indeed represent the continuation of the Apprentice Community.

Therefore, Master clan should have the A/B slot.

As for changing the rule, why rework the wheel? Why change precedent? This was a precedent set after much languished drama on more than one occasion. It works well. It is clear. How else do you propose to deal with succession issues? What if I made a new clan today and moved all the FCC players there? This rule is designed to protect communities of players from their slot being slot poached or otherwise lose their slot. Apprentice worked hard to get into A, and now some of you are complaining that this is somehow "unfair" that these players get to keep their hard earned work and all of the sudden lose it. Arguing that they should start over is just jealousy and jockeying for position.

-Aura

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Explain me better please: if mod insult anyone its ok for u? there are no reasons to insult in this way... u don't learn it at school when u was younger?

As usual, Masters don't respect other clan and the essence of the Clan League.
They don"t understand the symbol of the clan.

It's ridiculous. Go to the Div D or change for another clan like SNinja! That a true Clan !

Can someone please explain to me why FC is so anti-Masters? I feel like this blood is something from before my time.

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Explain me better please: if mod insult anyone its ok for u? there are no reasons to insult in this way... u don't learn it at school when u was younger?

So why are you turning a blind eye to Irise insulting cowboy and spitting on the work he has done? Mod just retaliated. Whilst that doesnt excuse mod, it doesnt mean he is the only problem here.

To anybody saying that Masters being in control of positions of power is a problem, remember, everything here is done on a voluntary basis. Everyone had a chance to volunteer for either the CL Panel, Ethics Panel, or Audit Panel. Just because Apprentice (now Masters) were more proactive in the community, doesn't mean there is some conspiracy going on.