I request you solve this via clan battle

lmao holy shit y'all are petty. Clan drama still a thing in 2020. Fizzer's all pure, but the WZ community remains as disgusting as ever with the holier-than-thou attitudes coming from the literal rock-bottom.

I have no idea who you are Kratt, but here's a piece of advice, everytime someone from a different clan says something about yours, take it as a compliment to your notoriety and leave. Specially diplo clans.

dude drama itself is art why ruin it?

Why would one of you care about what the other says about their clan? Instead of spitting it back with hostility, either ignore it or use humor. That goes for any clan leader. I made a bit of a swipe towards TSFH myself not a while back and was met with a hostile response. I don't think taking swipes is the real problem here ... its the retaliation to it.

When it comes to clans, actions are stronger than words. Just prove to the community that they are wrong. Don't get into flame wars over it. It just sheds you in a bad light.

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This is hardly a flame war.

2. I think I actually put in effort for TLA to become something we're not (currently). Myself? I know I'm bad, I'm not making any claims at being a good player.

Your own co-manager claims in global chat that he does most of the work, you're just... there...
Also a good player doesn't mean a good leader and vice versa.

3. You joined TLA before we had implemented all our new rules, if I remember correctly. Even if you had joined later, you still fit the requirements, and we do check our recruits for bootrate and activity (except maybe Miegokhan, but we tell him off and revoke the invites when he doesn't do that).

Tiny Rick joined like a week ago. How does he fit the criterion?

4. Hoard everything that makes a sound in the global chat? Is there something wrong with recruiting from the global chat?

Nothing, but you claim to have such high standards when in reality, there aren't any. That's my point, you were looking for "elite" (lol) players and thought that's the best idea ever until most who had a clue told you it's a better idea actually grow your own elites. You're all over the place and have no direction.

5. Spammers get kicked if they do it too much. Look at BM.

He left, he never got kicked. He was there for months and months and would be still there hadn't he left himself.

6. What's wrong with taking notes from you? I don't tell them not to get advice from other managers...

A lot actually, if you debate that TSFH is the second coming of Darklords then you obviously don't see the way my clan is build up as a decent alternative to the norm. Which pretty much means that most advice I can give is garbage in your eyes.
Who would want bad advice?

7. "Massive outside help?" Lol. I guess if you count JSA and NoName having being here for a week or two to train a couple players as "massive outside help", then sure.

Well I don't know, but everyone seems to think that it's going to be that one thing that will make TLA "an up-and-coming superpower in the competitive arena of strategic play."
You included.

8. The way you recruit is activity, and yet you don't expect involvement from everyone... interesting. But I agree that it is impossible the way you recruit.

Activity in the game does not mean involvement in clan stuff. This is as silly to think as good player equals good leader.
My activity standards are pretty harsh too. 1 day 20 hours until automatic boot in clan tournaments.
Wasn't TLA's 7 days and still a lot got booted?

9. I'm sure Darklords was going the right direction once...

I don't care about Darklords, I am not Darklordio. They are not really something any clan would like to be compared to.
And I am honestly not even sure they ever had a direction.

10. I agree, things take time. Which is why turning TLA from an inactive clan into an active one is taking time.

You've been there a long time, you have had all the time in the world to make it happen. It's not happening for you. JSA magic wand or not.


Basically, in short,
You're a coward, don't be. ;)

In short, both your clans suck.

^ pretty much

Haha, true Farah! ;)

I don't think taking swipes is the real problem here ... its the retaliation to it.

I agree, especially since I wasn't intending to offend Kratt in the first place; at worst, it was a cheeky comparison, but really I was simply wondering! Gosh! How many times to I have to say it? I WASN'T TAKING SHOTS AT YOU OR TSFH PERSONALLY! I would have done the same thing no matter who the clan was or who led it! Once again, I'm not trying to say my clan's better than yours or that I'm a better manager than you!!!

2. Yes, JK does a lot of work, I'm not pretending he doesn't and I'm not pretending I do more. And when did I claim to be a good leader exactly?
3. Have you even read our criteria? Tiny Rick met them, all right.
4. Didn't you notice the disclaimer in my recruiting forum post that said: Before y'all criticise me; I'm aware this isn't the best way to recruit the desired individuals, however I'm running out of time, so I thought I'd give it a shot. You never know what can happen...
5. Yes BM left. But he was given his final warning internally, and he was told that if he left (he kept leaving then coming back) he wouldn't be invited back. He begged us to let him back in, but nope. Not exactly a kick, but effectively the same thing. Idk why he left, but it certainly wasn't because he didn't still want to be there. The reason it took so long is because we have rules to stop managers arbitrarily removing players they don't like. And I believe in second chances.
6. Once again, I don't debate that TSFH is the "second coming" of Darklords, I wonder whether it will follow the same trajectory. As it is, I think your clan is doing wonderfully, with plenty of good players and would probably woop TLA's butt in a competition. ;) I'm not trying to say TLA's better! I'm purely wondering about the number of players you have!
7. Uhhh, okay, nice to know you can read my mind. ;) I actually don't think it's the only thing, I agree with these trainers when they say it's not them but the willingness of our players to analyse and learn on their own. Sure, I think their input will help a lot, but I don't think it's the only thing.
8. Fair enough. I guess what you and I are looking for when we say "activity" is different, and that's fine. Good to clarify.
9. Sure.
10. Not sure what you mean by "long time" - TLA was started in 2017 by an irl friend of mine. I helped him manage initially, but halfway through 2018 I decided I need to concentrate on schoolwork, so I went on a no-Warzone hiatus until the very end of 2019. During that time TLA became very inactive (maybe 60 out of 80 members). So I've had since then to try and fix things. But I think fairness is important, and I didn't want to remove people who weren't reeeally inactive. Since then I've been slowly transitioning us from a casual clan to something a bit more than that; definitely not elite yet, but not entirely casual anymore. And I would say it is happening. Slowly, but surely.

Not sure how I'm a coward, but I'm sorry if I offended you with this thread, I didn't intend to, next time I'll be more careful with you because you seem to be a little bit touchy. All the best with TSFH, and I hope they don't turn into Darklords. But I'll be interested to find out in years to come!

Who is up for a session of TSFH related jokes?

( got a few already, just not posting because they might offend some people)

(risky I told you not to do this...)

dude drama itself is art why ruin it?

would be elsewhere, but in warzone it's just the old and stale "other clan bad" in which you roll a d6 for what are you going to bitch about: poaching, elitism, inviting everyone, stalling, forum trolls or having platinum in it unironically

So which of those six does this: https://www.warzone.com/Forum/414513-discussion-come-back-master-cl fall under?

second, repeatedly

kudos for mentioning platinum.

i'll relance with gnuffone