So, I say I don't know something, and you respond as if either I'm trolling you or I'm anti-vax and trying to convince others not to be vaccinated. I'm neither, I just didn't know a certain thing on this topic.

Yes, even things considered common knowledge are unknown to some people. Deal with it.

You could consider thinking before asking, or just using a search engine to find an answer to a rather simple question. The information is out there. Not knowing something is alright. Just try to figure it out before asking stupid questions.

Let’s all make stupid statements then get defensive when people tell us to look it up.

Where the fuck does my penis go when it shrinks???

@Tungsten: https://animorphs.fandom.com/wiki/Z-space

Can I just point out, I think others have said something along these lines already:
Afaik, the only (or one of the only) scientific publication(s) ever to support the link between autism and vaccination was published in the Lancet Medical Journal, and was later retracted because the scientific community rightly pointed out that the findings were dodgy.
If there is any link between autism and vaccines, as someone already said, I think, it is that the age at which autism is usually diagnosed coincides with the age at which children are usually vaccinated. Now some may say, is that really a coincidence? Yes. Because statistics have shown that there is absolutely no significant difference in autism rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated children. So, as I have stated before, whatever claims antivax people have to support their viewpoint, none of them are scientific.

As a non scientist I would expect a scientific study regarding vaccination ==> autism with the Amish as case study to work this way:

- To which extent do the Amish vaccinate their children less than the general population?
- To which extent are Amish children less prone to autism than the general population?
- Since autism needs a proper diagnosis, how can we make sure that the Amish autism data is comparable to the Autism data of the general population?
- If we have indeed found a correlation, why can we assume that this correlation implies a causation?
- Why are we using the Amish, who are kinda inbred, as our case study?

I'm not interested in reading a scientific paper and especially not if it's in a field I'm not familiar with, so it's cool to give me the summary for the general public which answers the questions asked above in understandable terms.


https://www.longdom.org/open-access/gabr-genes-autism-spectrum-disorder-and-epilepsy-2165-7890-1000131.pdf however just throws lot's of mumbo jumbo at me. It begins like that:

As one MIT researcher, Dr. Stephanie Seneff has already predicted, if the current trendcontinues unabated and if nothing is done to shift this momentum in a positive direction today, the incidence of Autism would be 1 in 2 children in the U.S by 2025.

OK, MIT is serious and the Dr. Stephanie Seneff is a real person with a Wikipedia article. However then again for each and every bizarre statement you can find some peson of authority as a proponent of this viewpoint. Apparently Dr. Seneff is a computer scientist. Well, I happen to know lot's of computer scientists with a PhD and I would trust not one of them one bit when it comes to psychology / medicine.

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@Norman: The author of that Energetic Immunity paper (w.r.t. Amish people & autism) is this person: https://www.selfgrowth.com/experts/rajalakshmi-kandaswamy

She is the Author of the E-Book : How to Heal Autism and ADHD in 30 Days : The Phenomenally Powerful Breakthrough Of Intent Healing ™

She appears to be a fringe scientist affiliated with the Institute of Noetic Sciences (parapsychology- e.g., ESP and psychic healing). It seems like she has made a career out of peddling Deepak Chopra-esque borderline-Dianetics nonsense; if you look at the references for the paper, the first actually is Deepak Chopra. So we are looking at a modern-day quack dressing up woo behind sciencey-sounding words. The fact that the paper throws mumbo jumbo at you is likely by design.

The thing Dr. Kandaswamy (the "Dr." comes not from a PhD but from an M.B.B.S. from India- a 5-year undergraduate degree; she also does not practice in a field related to autism, apparently specializing in fertility medicine) is pushing here is "Energy Healing" and "Energy Immunity"- her terms for using your thoughts to magically fight or prevent illness. She sells a book for parents of autistic children to cure their children's autism in 30 days. That's likely the intended audience for her paper, to add a veneer of scientific credibility to her predatory pseudoscience.

For Seneff, whose domain of expertise appears to be human-computer interaction (HCI) and natural language processing (NLP): https://vaxopedia.org/2017/07/28/who-is-stephanie-seneff/

Yes. Dr. Stephanie Seneff, the Senior Research Scientist at the MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory, thinks that school shootings and terrorism attacks are caused by the herbicide Roundup.

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"If you go by logic, if vaccine works and you take it. Then it means you're protected, why would they force it on me or anyone else who is against it. You take it if you believe it works and you're protected then, imma take my "risks" and skip on it cause it's disasterous for health with unknown consequences for long term health..."

It's not disastrous for your health, and the reason they are at times mandatory is because you getting a communicable illness can kill not only you, but others that you interact with. If illnesses were not contagious, then sure, you'd only be harming yourself with your stupidity, but alas, we live in a society in which you interact with other people and in which your stupidity can directly affect and kill others.

In the future please restrain from using the word logic to describe nonsense that is anything but logical.

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Sure go ahead and believe whatever mainstream media tells you, without checking. Just believe them they're here to save you... None ever gonna force that on me, and as I said before if you took it then you're safe. Why would a non vaccinated person be an issue for the one that's vaccinated if the VACCINE works. Do you have any common sense?! If it "works" then you're protected. Everybody MUST have a right to decide for themselves and thats it...

...and if the non vaccinated person can pass the disease to VACCINATED one what is the point of vaccine then???

"Sure go ahead and believe whatever mainstream media tells you, without checking."

I don't recall suggesting anyone pray as a means of avoiding disease. I'm pretty sure that that would be the method of choice for people who believe in blind faith.

Vaccinations are not about a lack of checking. They're the complete opposite, they're the result of tens of thousands of hours of research and clinical study.

Vaccines have never been advertised as 100% fool-proof immunity to diseases. Especially since diseases mutate over time, and the greater number of people with a disease results in faster mutation. Choosing not to vaccinate increases transmission and mutation rates, which weakens the benefit of the vaccine in vaccinated populations. This isn't hard to understand.

Remove your tinfoil hat, it's cutting off the circulation to your brain.

Lighting.

You’ve always been a good person in my chat. But Dude. The link you shared is so sketchy and clearly fake BS. If you believe this stuff, then you’re just denying science and doctors. If that is the case, then I’m gonna put you in the same box as all the idiots who think the earth is flat or that politicians are lizards.

Your guy Usain Bolt just had a kid. Do you think a guy who follows a strict diet and workout regiment (backed by decades of food science) would say screw doctors and not get his kid vaccinated?

You can’t pick and choose what science you believe in. You’re smarter than this. Stay off those clearly BS websites. Because those same people who write that stuff think school shootings are staged. And I’m not sure if you’d want to be associated with those people.

Well nauz if they don't work 100% I would rather rely on my own immune system, than I would to some scientist who are paid to speak what they're told to and give out information only that satisfy those who funded the research. If you believe world is great and all milk n honey, you're badly wrong... Just take a look who leads World Health organization and look at their career resume. What they did prior to that...

Do your Own research and dig deeper, stop believing everything on first... There's always second side of the story...

if "your own research" is sketchy sites and youtube videos that you take at face value, then please dont call it research. Cause it isn't.

Sure go ahead and believe whatever anti-vaccine media tells you, without checking. Just believe them they're here to save you...

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Lighting, are you vaccinated your self, or is your family also against vaccinations?
Do you have a particular religious background that does not allow you to get vaccinated or are you an anthroposophist?

Vaccines are great, as they can extinguish viruses that otherwise would have kept evolving along side humans and people will get less often sick.

But I have trouble finding articles on the possible impact from our immune system having less work to do, and are use to fighting weakend viruses from vaccines, and our immune systems will have increasingly less work in long term, so when a new virus emerges, that virus can cause a disastrous higher death toll then in a society that does not take vaccine shots, and maybe causing 99% deaths instead of 60%.

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The solution: get vaccinated!