Norman if you were a girl you'd be the perfect cheerleader, a pretty voice but absolutely nothing to offer on the line-up. Instead of pom poms it's Division B scorecards from last season! Hurray!

Le Mars has competition at last!

Division A:
ONE!
Lynx
SNinja
Outlaws
WG
M'Hunters
FCC

Division B:
Masters
Blitz
GG
101st
Statisticians
Hawks
BIA

Division C
VIW
French Community
LuFredd
Discovery
CORP
Polish Eagles
Hydra

Division D
TSFH
TLA
TBA
NWO
USSR
Celtica

it's Division B scorecards from last season! Hurray!

I thought the message was obvious that our team has beaten FCC before despite the average Warzoner consensus. M'Hunters prime audience are hardcore real time open game players so we have a history of getting ranked low by the multiday crowd.

Edited 8/31/2020 19:50:56

time to proof them wrong. All of them

What are your predictions LF?

division A:

1. ONE! - they truly became the one clan to rule them all. There's just so many star players on this line-up; top 4 of the MTL at the moment consists of Buns157, malakkan, and tornado (and Rufus). Beren and Muli are ONE's veterans remembering the XS days, Neal holds two ladder trophies (RT and 2v2, with Adreso), and Pardon holds all five. Haven't had a clan this good in A since MASTER's demise.

2. Lynx - strong presence on MTL (AI 6th, krunx 7th, alexclusive 13th) and overally it's mostly the players that hit 2nd in previous season. Wini, jimmy, Hades... KKND is an interesting addition to the roster.

3. SNinja - it's just the same stars every season - Almosttricky, rakleader, max, Hergul. How strong SNinja is, depends on them. Meldarion betrays MASTER and and joins this roster, making it really solid.

4. Outlaws - idk they very often finish third but now they might be always finishing fourth

5. Fifth Column Confederation - so I'm not completely sure how do they compare to the A mainstays such as Outlaws and SNinja, but I think the way their best players (such as Xenophon) are used to absolute maximum on the line-up means they will fight hard for not relegating.

6. WG - seems that Summer actually is playing nowadays. In addition to the stars such as Super Smoove and GuestNWHSzY (9th on MTL), and the additon of Phobos (Mister Glass of VIW fame) this makes their line-up really solid and I think they can stay in A yet another season.

7. M'Hunters - I indeed don't know M'H players as much as people on the Discords but I don't really see them competing on MTL or on ladders so much. To be fair, Ollie, blobblob, DrApe, and AJ Chiller have strong team and solo performances in division B last season, with DrApe going 6-0 in two tournaments; it's just MH never got higher than fifth in division A, and the competition is much stronger now, than before.

division B

1. MASTER Clan - it reminds me of Clan League 7 really. At that point MASTER was one of the strongest clans on WZ, but they were still in division B, two seasons after relegating from A over absence of some of their star players. This season sees Deadman, Rufus, and Timinator playing for the first time since several seasons, and summing that with the best of Apprentice's last season's line-up (especially Min34) we get a team that will probably dominate the division.

2. GG - their main stars are obviously linberson, JV and bzox (the true GG veterans), and maybe RynoFury. Jake has a nice 1v1 ladder peak too; I think those players are enough for them to distance the rest of the division.

3. 101st - Ju and pumpkinhead going to FC is some bad news for them; on the other hand, there are still likes of Otterycat, Half Moon, criba87, ACL Tears which went 4-2 in at least one tournament each in previous
season.

4. Blitz - if Farah, Jefferspin, Banana have enough motivation, they can pull out a very good performance. Most of their players aren't known at all to me, though.

5. Statisticians - As always, their performance will probably be extremely inconsistent, with Math Wolf, Jackie, and Yeon gaining vast majority of clan's points, and everyone else - if solo - doing pretty badly.

6. HAWKS - their performance in previous season was very middling, with let's fight being their clear MVP. I think they might have a hard time staying in this division.

7. Brothers In Arms - easy to pick as the relegatee, as once again they promote to B over pretty much lack of a strong force in C previous season... I expect tartan1314, Botanator, Smokedpears, and rlhull6 (veteran BIA players) to do ok, but I think they are overally not on the level of the best B players.

division C

1. Lu Fredd - in division D they went 6-0 or 5-1 in nearly every tournament, over the favorites FC, and I don't see them getting worse somehow. Players such as Johnnygoodboy and NoName2.1 raught 4th place on 1v1 ladder; also NoName2.1 and KaitoS hold 2v2 ladder trophy. Not to mention surprise appearance of ZeroBlindDragon, the man that made Lynx great.

2. French Community - no change from previous season as well, I think that the French have a badass line-up with players such as Zev, Wazz, Ze, Legui, Phaeril, responsible for FC's 5-1 and 6-0 tournament results in D.

3. CORP - the strong return of Ven and Tjoex in this season will turn the tide for them. Surprised to see neither terry cloth, nor berdan not playing any tournaments (and instead including players such as orionaux).

4. VIW - their performance last season was definitely not up to par, even with Chazz, ilpeggiore (change your username back already!) and lineal being probably their best players, they could do 2-4/3-3 in B at best. Let's see how they do now.

5. Polish Eagles - obviously I have faith in the line-up I assembled myself. :) Players such as Menda, Yellow, and Dziku were going 5-1 in their tournaments in division D, so I think they should gain a lot of points for the clan.

6. Discovery - me ranking them sixth isn't an insult; Israel won a tournament in previous season, PapaMars is a rising star, TableTrivia just two seasons ago played for FCC.

7. Hydra - Sebus Maximus (idk why is he not in PE already:) will be the main star for them, and hopefully Benjamin and Legend of the Phoenix (returning from Apprentice as I see) will win some points for them. But there's no Varangian Guard, REGL, or Celtica to farm points off so I'm afraid that makes Hydra the worst in the division.

division D

1. Two Steps From Hell - Stan Smolders is currently high on MTL, Orannis has a 1v1 ladder peak around 1800, but other players are pretty much an enigma. I'll give them benefit of doubt and put first.

2. Celtica - they actually did 3-3 in several tournaments in division C (I'm looking at Padre and RecMart), which by this division's standards is... pretty good.

3. The Last Alliance - the only clan that survived from previous season's division D, as Vikings collapsed (again!), FUDEW died again, and German Warlords was unable to send a line-up correctly. Pumpkins previous season did a 4-2, but I again know nothing of strength of other players (I know those that went 0-6, 1-5, 2-4 in CL12).

4. New World Order - again I don't really know these players; they were in NWO in Benoit's time, but they never played in CL as there simply were lots of better players in the clan (they all found their homes in Outlaws, Lu Fredd, M'H, and Statisticians now). So I guess they are... not good?

5. The Boiz Army - total unknown to me, but the few players that have some ladder stats, they have relly bad stats.

6. USSR - legendarily bad in previous CL seasons.

Div A: ONE!, Lynx, SNinja, FCC, WG, Outlaws, MH
Div B: Masters, GG, Blitz, Hawks, Stats, 101st, BIA
Div C: Lu Fredd, FC, VIW, PE, CORP, Discovery, Hydra
Div D: TSFH, TLA, NWO, Celtica, TBA, USSR

Alright division B predictions, C and D will follow over the next few days. A is higher up in the thread.

A League of Their Own

1. Master Clan, this lineup is absurdly good and would be serious contenders in division A. The only disappointing thing is that some of their weakest slots lineup with the strongest overall tournaments so the overall PC might be closer to 90% than 100%.


The Muddy Middle

2. GG, some of the teams are of questionable strength, but a more engaged JV, addition of Jake, and not playing in A will lead to much better results than a season ago. I like them to edge out the other clans I think I fighting for the promotion spot.

3. 101st, lineup looks rock solid and I could definitely see them promoting. Similar to GG, I question whether some of the teams are strong enough, but the 1v1s look very nice. Margin between 2nd and 3rd in these predictions is razor thin.

4. Blitz, thin lineup that certainly has the star power to get 2nd here. IDK how engaged Jeff and Farah are at this points in their careers, and Mars and Bechaa will have to step up in this division. Has the most downside of the Muddy Middle, as one player having a bad season or boot fest could tank them.

5. Stats, if Yeon playing is legit and not a clever misdirect than there's no reason the statisticians can't have the big three carry them again, maybe all the way to 2nd. Biggest question mark for me is the player named Name currently in 2 slots. Profile says QM of 909 and win rate of 79% which could mean well anything.

6. Hawks, do I think Hawks could promote? Nah. Do I think Hawks has a particularly good chance of not-relegating in this division? Nah. Do they belong in this category instead of the next one. Absolutely. This lineup is filled with solid B players, but is lacking star power outside of Let's Fight. I think that and a few weak slots will sink them relative to the rest of the Muddy Middle.

For Sure Relegating

7. BIA, this is not a competitive B lineup. They will lose nearly all their games in every tournament.

@Farah

hope you right ! that some serious faith in our 2vs2 teams.


@ Onoma94

I can't until lvl 66 :(

Internal tournament wise, Chazz, Lineal, Andre an Chicken are all better than me ..... :(

I'm stuck for the second season in B league of our Pro/Rel league. I feel better now that the world knows.

Masters 1st.
Do I need to give an explanation?

GG, 101st, Hawks, Blitz battle for 2nd.
I dont know.. I cant really divide this group. I could imagine every of them 2nd and all of them in the midfield.
GG is a clan from A, fine. I have not really watched at Div A yet (I am a noob). What I got to know that they had some joining issues last season. I hope they do not this season. That could kill a candidate for promotion even if its now only B.
101st last season they had 1 point lead to Hawks. Time to change :). I see i get the identical games on ror and Volcanonas last season. I am looking forward. Though 101st lost players to FC that made a big part last season. There might be new players that are able to chatch it up. I cant say if they really can. Lena is a good addition to the lineup. Though this season is a tougher Div B i think.
Blitz. I only can compare them with the CL11 team. Sure, yet there is no visible Murtle. Thats good. mod is no part of their lineup anymore. QB is no part of their lineup. Where is Moto playing? Not in Blitz, or? Jefferspin, Banana, Tito, pip are the constants + Farah and Bechaa as new additions. Can you be better than mod, qb and moto in CL10?
Hawks. Ye, thats us. 15 players on 18 slots. We go with the strategy "no-burn-out" this season. 3 slots was a pain last season. Let's see how it works. We have not less stars then last season*

Statisticians 6th
Jackie, MW and Yeon are their top players. Yeon was last seen 2 weeks ago, when I checked last... I dont know what Yeon promised to MW, to put him on 3 slots. But I have currently doubts that he really comes back. I am awaiting substitution in the coming weeks tbh.

BIA 7th
will have a tough time i guess. Some players are there that I appreciate. RobertE Lee, rhull, tartan. But I doubt they are able to get enough points. But I am here to be proofen wrong.


*EDIT: We have not less "stars" than last season. Indeed, we have got some additional power. This I also told to Farah, but yet Farah did not update the alt section.

Edited 9/1/2020 10:12:38

HAWKS is strong this season :) They can reach the promotion but GG, Blitz and 101st are good too! Good fight for the second place.

Gotta agree with the last two posts - everyone is sleeping on Hawks in B. Can't see how 101st is gonna beat them out, although 101 might have made some new additions I don't know about.

I'm starting to think you're a christian Norman, you're abstaining from playing in CL and I want to play against you and take your CL virginity with you.

My message is more the lines of wanting you to play.

My turn!

Div A!
It's ONE!'s to lose! FCC and WG will drop to Div B!

Div B!
Master will steamroll it. GG will promote with them. BIA and Blitz will relegate to C.

Div C!
VIW and Lu Fredd will promote, Hydra and Polish Eagles will relegate.

Div D!
It's ours to lose! TLA will promote as well!

Re-Hawks.

If Yeon is not playing for Stats then I would rate Hawks better than them by a fair margin and put Stats in "should be relegating" territory. I made my prediction based on Yeon playing being accurate.

Hawks, has a lot of heart as they've shown the last few clan leagues but I don't see them keeping pace with GG, or an improved 101st lineup. Blitz is a bit of a wild card but on paper they should be pretty strong too.

Edited 9/1/2020 17:37:08

i would say stop doubting us but I have seen Jacksonville jaguars so I wont say it

Edited 9/1/2020 17:38:45

Gotta agree with the last two posts - everyone is sleeping on Hawks in B. Can't see how 101st is gonna beat them out, although 101 might have made some new additions I don't know about.

Well, I'm gonna reverse this statement and say that I don't see how Hawks are so sure to beat 101st, unless they have some new additions I don't know about. :P Really both clans' lineups seem pretty similar to last season. Although indeed the difference was only one point then. How much better are Hawks now?

What do people know that I don't? What's so improved about this 101st line-up, Hawks should imo easily beat them

For 101st, the teams look even to last season (many of them are the same players) and the 1v1s look stronger IMO. Lena and Lepanto are good additions. We'll see. Part of the fun of predictions is seeing how silly you look in hindsight. It's why I would like certain personas *cough* Norman *cough* to put their predictions out there.

Continuing on my predictions by division we now come to C:

Four clans enter two clans leave

1. Lu Fredd- They beat FC a season ago, and they play hard always. ZBD on India doesn't hurt either. Competition will be a little stiffer this time, but I think this lineup is upto the task.

2. FC - They shake off the rust and add Ju (surprised to not see Pumpkinhead in the lineup). I give them the edge here due to the consistent strength of the lineup.

3. Corp - Did they and GG follow the same game plan of not take a CL seriously, relegate, and then field a much stronger lineup the following season? Tjoex and Ven add a lot to this lineup, and Dry-Clean should be able to put up better win totals in C relative to B. Rumor is DD threw some games last season as well.

4. VIW - I'm assuming this isn't their final lineup and that lineal will put in some subs. IMO Chazz Michael Michaels is the best player in the entire division, while lineal, Andre, and Ilpeggiore are quite capable as well. If lineal maxes the best players they can compete with the 3 clans above, otherwise the quality just isn't there.

Relegation Battle

5. Polish Eagles - No Lew means no shot at promotion. Menda, Yellow and Dziku should give them the oomph to not relegate, but some slots are pretty weak.

6. Discovery - C is a lot rougher neighborhood this season. They lack the star power of PE, but make up for it with consistency. Still I don't think it will be enough.

Outclassed

7. Hydra- Sebus Maximus will win some games, but the rest of this lineup will struggle hard in this division. Surefire relegation here.

Edited 9/1/2020 18:10:50