Has anyone unlocked AP Advancements phase 3 or phase 4 yet?

I have the follow AP advancements:

+100% Army Camps (not very use tbh as per the purpose of this thread)
+25% Joint Strike
+40% Merc availability
+100% Draft sizes
+120 mins Idle time
+20% Auto-conquer

+40% Merc availability is hugely useful, but unfortunately does not help unlock phase 3.

Question is ... what's in phase 3? And phase 4 for that matter? Is there anything in there that's actually worth unlocking? How much AP is required to unlock phase 4?

I still have 6700 AP more to spend in phase 2 to unlock phase 3 ... which is pretty much all the levels I haven't completed yet combined minus 1 or 2, which means I would have to replay a whole bunch of levels to unlock phase 4 which presumably has an unlock requirement of spending in phase 3 of ~10,000 AP? More? Don't know ... is this even possible? Maybe with the +30% AP bonus when completing each level.

Edited 9/11/2020 18:17:21

I'll interpret this to mean that no one has unlock P3 yet.

[glitch double post, removing 2nd interation]

Edited 9/14/2020 12:13:50

Surely ... someone has unlocked phase 3? ...Surely ... ?

If you haven't unlocked it, can a couple people give me a "Hell no, not yet homie" so I don't feel so lonely in this thread pls?

Edited 9/18/2020 20:23:32

Hi Fizzer, AP questions/idea.

I have noticed that with the needed changes and updates, I am finding myself wanting to reset all my AP. I have it set for maybe first 10 games, and despite trying to make it where I like, after each game, I feel I need to reset still, even more. Maybe with this said, you could reset everyone's, if they agree? Total AP, so we can all pick over. I would expect all that paid for the Bonus AP, will still keep it as well. I for one am not willing to pay the extra 150 coins to reset when I can use to get the AP bonus, AP bonuses cost enough each turn. This has been done in games like World of Tanks and Ships.
Tell me your thoughts please?
Thanks

Edited 9/19/2020 18:21:42

I'll unlock P3 soon. Stay tuned.

How close are you Timmy? I still have 5,758 more to spend.

297 to go :)

2nd the ap reset! That auto conquer is worthless with that prioritizing thing that was added...

Timinator ... how's that 297 coming along?

Side note ... I sincerely detest the need to spend AP on phase 2 advancements in order to unlock phase 3. Imho, spending the AP should be enough without it being dictated where/how I spend it. Let me buy what I want and still unlock future phases. I far prefer most of the phase 1 advancements over phase 2 but am forced into advancing items I don't want to else I'm stuck in phase 2 forever.

Edited 9/23/2020 02:54:07

The pictures are too small, can you please make them a bit bigger for visibility?

It's age-friendly now

Is 25 000 AP even reasonably possible to get when each level reduces AP gained by 30% each time you complete it?

Awesome, thanks Timmy!

I've consolidated and shrunk the images down for everyone easy perusal.



There's finally some good advancements there! (phase 2 was pretty weak imho - still not sure what I will spend another 5228 AP on in phase 2 which beyond Draft sizes, doesn't contain anything I'm interested in)

@Mythos, I don't think an additional 25,000 AP after already spending all the AP to get to phase 3 is possible with the game as it currently is. So either is was a miscalc, or there is more coming that we don't know about yet.

Edited 9/23/2020 17:12:55

Army camp discount, crafter speed and increased ap are decent too in phase 2. In my opinion much more useful than phase 3 where i only like the start with a tech. The only thing potentially useful beside that is the increased money from bonuses, but fizzer will have to find a balance with sold items first cause as it is, bonus money doesn't matter even a bit.

@MoD, the problem with Army camp discount is that you can put Y (yotta) of money into Army camp upgrades and they still only do a super small ~1% of the contribution to clearing a level. So discounting that isn't likely to help.

Increased AP ... I thought about that one, but with a 1218 AP buy-in with 5% return rate, I think you're going to have to play each level a few times to earn back your investment, never mind actually benefit from it. I hear the 2nd upgrade on it is ~600 AP as well, and not the ~50 AP price one expects based on how others have a high initial buy-in and low follow up upgrades, making it questionable if this has a decent ROI.

Crafter speed ... is good, but has not typically been a major limiter when I'm playing, it's more getting the resources to make things rather than the time to actually make them. So I suspect this would for the most part just end up with more idle crafter time.

For me, Joint Strike (p1), Additional mercs (p1), Idle time (p1) and Draft size (p2) are the ones I've found the most value in. Where "value" = getting (or saving) more armies.

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Took a closer look - you're right MoD, these upgrades aren't as good as I originally thought. Start with Tech is good for sure, maybe Tech Discount as well. The rest not so much. The "auto" items really seem like a waste of AP. They're really only good for the challenge levels which aren't worth the investment of AP to beat them, or for folks who really want to be idle and still make progress on the level.

Edited 9/24/2020 05:18:39