If you are British, please be so kind and tell me what the general opinion is Scottland, England, Wales, Northern Ireland on the Scottish refenrendum in September.

You can add your own opinion if you like.

P.S.: Yes X, you can write more than just two lines.

Personally I have no opinion about it, though that if "they" leave "us" we can hardly call us United Kingdom anymore.

It's also worth noting that if the Scottish declare independence, they have aired the idea of joining Scandinavia.


I'm born in Denmark, but live in UK.

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Except for his last part, I'm not British.

they have aired the idea of joining Scandinavia.

And Scandinavia will accept them? Cause Estonia has been trying to get into the scandies for a while and just can`t. Is Scottland able to join them?

I am a Englishmen and I personally feel Scotland should stay. I don't really see what they would benefit from, apart from independent identity. I will be disappointed myself if they become independent. Like Kvich said we can hardly be called "United Kingdom" after this.

And I will have to update my map. Not cool.

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And Scandinavia will accept them? Cause Estonia has been trying to get into the scandies for a while and just can`t. Is Scottland able to join them?

Truth be told, I don't know, I just found it a little funny that the kilt wearing bearded men (no offense Scotland) may want to join them funny speaking, rotten herring eating, crazy Scandinavians. (Again no offense)
And though it was worth adding that bit of knowledge to the debate, as it's only something they may want to do, if they vote yes on the independence from UK.


Edit for Apollo:
I fully agree with you, that it would be sad to see them leave "UK".

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Also English here, and I agree with Apollo. But of course it will still be the United Kingdom, you're forgetting Wales!

..right Arun?

Nothing against Wales, but the United Kingdom doesn't refer to them at all. It refers to the union of the crowns of England and Scotland in 1707 and then in 1800 to the union of the Kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland. Wales had long been considered part of the Kingdom of England, having been conquered by the English in the 13th century.

Of course Green! Scotland are doing pretty well in my opinion, going about their own powers the right way. If they stay, fine, if they go, weird because it was a Scottish King that unified England/Scotland in the first place, but still fine. The bigger issue for us in Wales is the stupid way in which our Assembly exercises their power. Unlike Scotland, they waste millions a year on inferior education alone. It's now most beneficial to be born Scottish - they get the same decent secondary education as England, but get the opportunity to join top universities for free.

Long story short; Scotland may make it but that doesn't mean we will.

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I wonder if Scotland will go back to their old ways, such as colonizing Panama, ah, those were the days...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzG_J7RCGS0

The english dont like it, actually most of the scottish dont like but theyre too apathetic to vote. None of them for good geopolitical reasons, its mostly emotional reactions all round. Scotland has oil in the North sea, and their political parties are less established and therefore less shitty.

I like the idea. The scandinavia thing is a bit odd. Ive never been to scand, but from what i hear it is dark and cold and a bit backward. People have a sense of community and a dark sense of humour. Scotland fits well with that.

I'm not from the British Isles, but I will say while it appears the separatists feel like this:



Leaving the U.K. just seems like a dumb idea to me. Sure, there might be oil in the North Sea. And staying in the E.U. may be a foolish economic decision, but a separate Scotland? It's been about three hundred years since they were a self-governing nation. Do they really feel as though the U.K. is shoving them under the bus? Or is it just a nationaist rant?

I have just the feeling that it's one of those situations where the Scots are living in the past, focusing on their past mistreatments from the U.K., and thinking that the only right thing to do is to get off the sinking ship and away from the power that mistreated them.

If Scotland leaves for a little self-governing experiment, though, it would be a huge blow to British prestige. I'd rather see the U.K. leave the E.U. than Scotland leave the U.K.

G.B. flage without Scotland:


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source:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2593781/Scot-free-Union-Jack-gets-Yes-vote-makeover-Secret-Government-papers-reveal-flag-look-Scotland-votes-independence.html

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That looks terrible. Though wont the flag stay the same?

The flag will stay the same, I'm sure.

I don't think there are any reliable opinion polls out but anecdotally (I'm in Scotland now) it seems most are against. Whether the against are motivated enough to vote is another thing. See what happened with UKIP and the European Elections.

About the oil. Its British. If Scotland leave, I have no idea how it would be split but for sure Scotland aren't just gonna be given it due to proximity.

All in all it seems very risky. London is driving the entire economy and that doesn't look likely to change any time soon.

They would not try to become part of Scandanavia. How do you think that could actually happen? Some politicians are suggesting that they increase trade etc with that region to separate themselves from London.

Edward the I 'The hammer of the Scots' was the first King to unify the crowns of England and Scotland but he did so by force of arms. James VI and I did so politically but the seat of power was definitely still English and the Stuarts were anglicized in much the same way the Chinese assimilated any foreign rulers who came to power there.

The No poll is consistently higher than the Yes in all polls. Though there was a surge for Yes earlier in the year it's petered out a bit and No still shows a decent lead.

I live in the North and can completely understand the apathy or anger towards the Westminster government felt by many up here and in Scotland. And it's important to consider that the current party of power is the Conservatives. Scotland hates Tories as do most northerners after Thatcher systematically dismantled our economy and destroyed the unions. So the fact that even with the hated 'nasty party' in power the No poll is leading is striking. (To illustrate how unwelcome Conservatives are in the North the Better Together campaign have enlisted Gordan Brown the ex Labour PM to run the campaign alongside Alistair Darling [the spin doctor made out of teflon])

Personally I think the reason the No campaign is still ahead is because of the economy I touched earlier upon the fact that the traditional Northern economies were changed under Thatcherism and they haven't really been replaced yet. The British economy is very London centric. With the fact that we still haven't recovered economically from the banking crisis - government figures saying we have have been proven to be based on an anomalous spike. And ordinary people will tell you they don't feel better off or more secure now. Wages are still very low, 0 hours contracts are more normal than ever before. And when the SNP talk about becoming closer to Europe Scots only have to look over the Irish Sea to the 'Celtic Tiger' that was Ireland and the situation it is in now politically and financially mortgaged to the E.U after it's bailout. Or further afield to Portugal, Greece, Spain, Italy or Cyprus to see the danger of being a smaller economy within Europe.

That said I think the reason the No campaign has a chance is because the Scottish are proud to be Scottish and rightly so. They have a long history and have produced many of the worlds leading men and inventions throughout time. They took part in the United Kingdoms empire building to a probably proportionately highly ratio than any other country. But they didn't get to share the wealth it created equally. Since the Union began the English have always taken more out of Scotland than they put in. The rebate doesn't even begin to pay back what comes out. And that's before private investors take out wealth.

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A better re-design of the flag if Scotland leaves so the Welsh can be included;

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71502000/jpg/_71502906_union-like-(2).jpg

edit: for some reason the image won't show so I just included a link.

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I like it.


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http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/news/11255417.South_Norwood_to_hold_independence_referendum_on_eve_of_Scotland_vote/

I will be voting for independence.

Fuck London and Fuck England.