Who did formed the A league? Who voted? Based on what?

Just wondering why there are 2-3 guys which were ranked lower in the previous 1v1 20 A league, and i wasn't even mentionated :)

I find it amusing a person who i think would be fringe C, is in charge of A.

Answer to Red's question may help the other dissenters.

1) Me
2) Me
3) Coinflipping mainly

Where are zaeban, Beezlebub, and Oliebol? They are better than some in A. Beezlebub is at least as good as Gui's lawyer Trilussa. And Oliebol is not only the best player right now, he's also the best player of all time.

At least Gui and Billy Walsh didn't make it. They are all talk.

Hyde, No one knows who your older account is. So your opinion doesn't matter in this thread. Say that with your older account, and maybe people will listen to you.

Red, You were mentioned in voting. You just didn't receive enough votes to make it into A League. I organized A League this season. The guys who voted will remain unanimous unless they wish to reveal themselves. The first voting was done by 10 players, and I believe 8-9 are in A League. The second voting was done by the first 17-18 guys in. They voted for the next 2 guys who they felt like should make it in. Huruey and Bumblebee were the top 2 vote getters in the second voting, with Old Surehand in third.

I don't know which 2-3 guys were rated lower last time than you. But it's always possible they have improved and gotten better than you in the 100+ days since the last season. The way the alternates look like right now from different voting and suggestions I have heard from the A Leaguers:

1. Grona apex
2. EZPickens
3. Aziridine
4. V
5. Niko
6. Lightning McQueen
7. Spiny Psy
8. [WM] Red
9. Rafal
10. [WM]Gnuffone

There are also another 10 alternates I have on list but I will keep them quiet from the forum unless they are needed.

The B League will have 40 players (2 tournaments), because there are so many people very close in skill level at that level.

I hope that answers any questions people may have.

Anyway answering seriously, I don't think that making any critiques is right, as long as you make them this way (I'm not talking to Red, just in general).

If someone thinks himself deservable for A league, he should precisely tell of wich players he thinks of being better and then let's see what everybody thinks of it.

As far as I know, judges -whose identity will remain secret in any case- were the best players on Warlight, other than being absolutely impartial.

Of course this way didn't lead to perfection (as nothing in this world), but I think that the result wasn't so bad.

Zaeban is inactive. Oliebol is one of the later alternates not mentioned there because he was not voted in. Perhaps because the top players looked through his ladder strategy of becoming #1. And perhaps he is not as good at team games. I've never seen him in any team games so I don't know much about him. Beelzebub is another one of the later alternates and while 1-2 guys said he was good enough, I didn't hear him mentioned by any others as deserving of a spot in A League or even to be in the running. Oliebol and Beelzebub will definitely be invited to B League though and could get into A League if a lot of the top guys were to decline, although that is highly unlikely I think.

These rankings are hilarious.

My account will decline this.

Besides Gui's 3 nominations. One could easily list 20 that are not placed but deserve to be mentioned, and these 20 are better than the lower half of the list you made.

I wonder why Apex is so well represented as well :D

Surely Aziridne (who I consider a top 5 player) and Niko (who lingered at #1 for a while) deserve to be listed 1, 2.

Where are Byjtie, Sumarai, jasiek, among many many others.

Lol

[20] is not only 1v1 strategic...

[20] have to include te best overall players.

I've never played with Aziridine, but I'm sure he is great in strategic templates, but in my opinion if a guy has no europe experience, he cannot be considered at all into the top 5.

Plus your opinion really doen't matter anything as long as you won't reveal who are you.

the top 20 is so debatable that the entire premise of saying the "top 20" is silly, I don't particularly care personally. Perhaps you should name it "20 of the top" instead to satisfy those who are persistent and annoying.

Oliebol: 1st in 2v2 ladder, best 1v1 player.

Beelzebub: Gui killer. So elite he had to quit #Elite!. 90% win ratio. Best player on many maps: eg Real-life Europe, Turkey.

Who is mars never heard of him before

He is just another monkey...

Actually I do believe he is one of the guys who didn't deserve the 20 tag.
Gui is much better than him. It is a shame that he wasn't included.
I guess the Anti-Gui Monkey put big pressures on the judges!
As Gui's lawyer I will make sure that it will be hanged when the trial will be over.

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=2481

Talking about dunga and bisherup. I don't think they "improved" in that period, they were great players even then.

Perhaps Apex is represented so well because they are one of the two best clans :D [WM] is represented a bit better even I think. From the top 20, 3 are apex, 4 are [WM]. The 10 alternates include 2 [WM] members, and 1 apex member.

Go ahead and post this with your older account so we know who it is. This does not just go by 1v1. Niko is definitely up there on 1v1. But on team games, he might not be quite as good. Aziridine just wasn't voted in. I personally would put him in my top 20 list if I voted as well. But as you yourself said, my opinion is worthless. And its not all about Strategic 1v1, it matters about overall gameplay. He just didn't quite have the votes needed to make it into the top 20. Any of those top 5 alternates especially, were extremely close to being in right away. It is hard to determine the overall top 20. But the problem is, no matter how they are decided, someone will have a problem with it because they felt like they should make it in.

I have never actually seen Mars play a game. But he was one of the top couple vote getters and if asked who is the top player in the game by a good player who has seen Mars play, they will say Mars is one of the best.

Actually I have heard stories about Mars. Legend has it he disappeared when the Roman Empire fell. And a prophet predicted he would return to Earth "at the beckoning of a man at the apex of 320." JSA must be the man. 20's 3rd season the time.

i think i could join up in proving grounds A, if i could be invited

Red, why the tournament link? That shows nothing in my opinion. Dunga and you both went 4-4 and Bishes got booted in a few games, including the one against you. In my opinion, that shows you are very good but I don't see any sign you are better than either of them. Not to mention, it is just one tournament, which doesn't make a big difference. Consistency is rewarded.

I am pretty sure dunga has improved at least and it in games I have seen, he is a better player than you. And most of the A Leaguers think so to. He was voted in the top 10 in many people's votes and overall was rated in the top 10 after all the votes were added together. Bishes was voted in as well by popular vote and was in the top 20 of most of the votes, and the top 10 in a couple. You just pure and simple got outvoted. You may have gotten underrated this season or perhaps you got overrated last season. I personally don't feel like you are at the level of the A League players and the top guys agree with me. There's always a chance you'll get in as an alternate.