So Sze you think, on balance, that you're better than Gui? Aswell as everybody else?

Are you going to prove it?

Am I the only player on Warlight that thinks that there is no one individual best player? Different people are good at different maps and anyone who knows what they're doing can beat any other person on any given day. Id say as far as Warlight goes all the top players are going to have different chances against other top players based of relative styles of play and the map. Sze may lose to Red but not Zibik while Zibik beats Red. Does that make Zibik better than Sze or red? Or red better than Sze,or Sze better than either? Nope not really.

CPU, the argument is about overall best, all things considered (even though some people -- including Sze -- consider only some things, some maps, some game modes).

Sze, a new tagline for you: "I believe I am right, which makes me right, at least to myself." http://toughlovetalk.com/is-it-really-a-lie-%e2%80%93-seinfeld-self-help/

You are like Pang Jun: so confident, always right, yet never the best, despite your greatest efforts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pang_Juan

In all honesty, your inflexibility is why you will never be the best. To be the best, you need to be flexible like water. You are hard like stone. Water > stone.

Actually if you look at ladder ratings I am the best now ;).

And joking aside, I have a simillar opinion to thegman. I don't think there is a best player at all. I think there is a group of best players, but there is no way to single out the one that is THE best.

Congrats on beating timi, I will watch the game now, but you're still 18points or so behind swenny (at least until it updates). Also, get back in the ladder!

I am behind sze in 1 v 1, but ahead (and by more) in 2 v 2. So if you combine both scores I'm in front. Also me and Nord beat Sze and Gnuff in 2 v 2 (didn't play 1v1), that's the reason for my comment. As for getting back on the ladder it's hard for me to care about those games as I don't have anything else to achive (been no 1 already) and I don't really like 1v1 strat settings, played too many games on it, so it is kinda boring for me, thus I won't do very good on it. Ill get back on the ladder at some point propobly, when Ill have a low game count.

Oh, I see, I am blinkered to anything not strat 1v1 as per usual. Well done on being the best warlight player ever!

Will you be going for a highest ever score when you come back? I think that would be fun. I hope that it becomes a common thing, all the top players keeping their game count low and then making a push for the highest score every 3 months. We can all play "who can abuse the system hardest" together =D

I don't really know what I will be going for honestly :). I might come back sooner then in 3 months, as I alweys had (getting on and off erraticaly).

As for the game with Timi - not much to watch really. The decisive factor was picks (as usuall), though an intresting thing is we both had the same picks, just in diffrent order, and then he all but sealed his fate by not playing order delay on turn 6. not much more to tell about that game.

Nice try Artham. But the ladders are meaningless (according to Sze the Great). If you are in the same clan as Sze and he doesn't mention you on his list of the best players, how can the rest of us consider you a top player? Sze the Great knows best. You must be just another wanna-be.

I actually agree with you Huck. Personally I would put myself in top20 active players here. Im definetly not the best overall player for a two main reasons:

1. I don't play many maps and settings and I don't know how to play them (I play ENC, strat 1v1, Imperium Romanum, Ancient China and that's pretty much it)
2. I don't care enough about being the best to be the best - in order to reach the top you need to commit a lot of time to practice. I have less then 1,5k games compleated over 1,5 years. This is a game for me and not much more then that. I am by nature very competative (as any good player has to be in my opinion), but there's simply not enough motivation for me to commit enough time and thought to this game.

I think the ladders aren't meaningless. They shouldn't be interpreted literally (i.e. whoever is first on the ladder is best at the moment), but they do have some baring on who is in the top players pool. Dominating all ladders over a given period of time would in my opinion indicate that a player is the best in that give period of time.

As for Sze's list... it consist mostly of semi-active players and as I see it it's more sentimental and based on history with those players then actuall skill lvl. That's just my opinion though.

I wasn't serious. JJust channeling the sze in me.

I figured that much, but thought it needed explaining anyways considering how this forum works ;).

@piggy Will Sze prove he is the best? He doesn't need to. Our 100+ games don't matter. The ladders don't matter. What others think doesn't matter. Only Sze's opinions matter. And he is the best in his mind. He is the chosen one. Problem solved.

That thread gives me a headache... Gui, you disappoint me yet again. A short recap:

- who is best player?
G: Not sze --> reasons a,b,c,d...
me: I thought the thread was a joke, but let's participate. Answer a,b,c,d... Here's my subjective list of top players. Not really interested in any challenges or sth like that so I do not include myself. 1vs1 ladder irrelevant in the context of me being #1 proving i'm best, 2vs2 ladder irrelevant, cause settings.
piggy: That's some nerve you have! Implying you might be best and not saying it directly is like a back-handed compliment to others or a slap in the face. Prove it!
G: sze, you are an arrogant prick for answering to what I said with reason, now I am going to play a sophist.

me: ... I have no idea how to respond now, I answered Gui who was not interested i an answer. I posted my subjective list and no one likes it since I should have said who I would NOT have on this list... That'd be more effective. it seems... I am kinda active real-time nowadays, so if you really are offended by what I wrote (which would be childish) just play with me, nothing more, nothing less. I make the mistake of treating what Gui writes seriously, I'll try not to make this mistake again.

Btw. First provocative thread that was successful it seems :)

*bow*
worked a little too well, didn't mean to cause fights, just a civil argument (maybe some challenges?)
idk why you don't just do best of 10:
-sze vs myhand
-gui vs myhand
-gui vs sze

Definately Lolowut/Billy Walsh (same person)

They're NEVER WRONG ABOUT ANYTHING!!!!

Anyway I think that there is a lack in Gui's critiques.
The initial provocative question referred to who is now the best player.

Instead Gui you pointed out simply that sze is not a perfect player, about wich I totally agree, as I totally agree with In all honesty, your inflexibility is why you will never be the best. To be the best, you need to be flexible like water. You are hard like stone. Water > stone. even if I'd apply this statement more to a long run situation.

So the fact you think that sze's opinion about himself is exagerated is a clear fact, but I would like if you can really and honestly answer the jsa's question that refers just to the present, not to the future, not to the past.

And of course as an answer you should not only say that sze is not perfect but you should name who are the players or the player that are currently active and who are better than sze:/

Sze backpeddling. I can offer a recap too. Sze: "Everyone knows I think I am the best even though I have played Gui over 100 times and have a losing record. But after me I would.say myhand is best because I played with him over 600 times, including about 500 games after Gui lost interest in being my teammate because he thought I liked to join the best teams possible, relied too much on my better teammates and then.used my teams victories as a soft argument to prove (a) I belong in the conversation of best player and (b) I am in fact the best player. And since it takes me so long to understand how other people think, the 600 games with myhand have been sufficient for me to say how good he is. But 100 games with Gui are not enough. This is also the same with maps: I tend to need 600 games on maps with new strategies, but Saladin, myhand and Gui might need only 100 to know it in and out."

Piggy: "The hot girl is not impressed with more of Sze's self-promotion. Any proof to your assertion that you think you are the best? And don't patronize me, your initial meaning and general attitude is more than clear."

Melancholy: "It's a question of the relativity of time. It is not a question of best ever or best, but best now. And since Gui only plays with other accounts realtime and only has one multiday game going, he is not active. And myhand has seemingly disappeared, so Sze is the best active player."

Gui: "Only he isn't. Dunga and others are better at 1v1s. HHH and others are better at more maps. Sze's strength is 1v1s, standard settings, standard map. Sze is not very good at adjusting his approach to his teammates' styles unless (a) he plays with other great players (but even then he says too much obvious stuff in chat as if only he can see the board) and (b) he becomes a puppeteer and his teammates become extensions of Sze. I've seen enough of Sze to say despite his Guide and Forum Crusade to make people think he is the best, he is not. Sze doesn't like it when people don't bow down to his well crafted pretense of greatness and intellectual brilliance. But that is where I have my fun."

"Gui doesn't like it when people don't bow down to his well crafted pretense of greatness and intellectual brilliance. But that is where I have my fun." "

"Dick doesn't like people in general and is anal retentive. That is where he has his fun alone behind closed doors."