It might be a bit early to do this right now, but I think we should have a "high council" of sorts with a leader who has a good judge of charavter (and hopefully not a wolf) and the special villagers so we can figure out who everyone is more efficiently.

Still waiting on night actions from certain people!

I'll re-message them now!

Dom, you shouldn't have made Silver the Angel, it's gone straight to his head.

Edit: A "High Council" just creates targets for the wolves. It also means that a wolf could potentially sway many more votes if they were on the council than if there was no leadership structure at all.

Edited 8/27/2014 20:37:26

Not really, I'm always like that. :)

EDIT:
The second I saw I was the angel I was confident that we have this in the bag, I didn't expect it to be this hard to persuade everyone that I'm not BSing.

Edited 8/27/2014 20:37:13

That is why I think we should do it later when we are more confident what role everyone is.

(I know I'm not in this game, so normally I wouldn't post here, but I just want to say one thing. Phule, I completely agree with his balls. I play Mafia on other forums, and in most if not all forums, it is an understood, if not outright stated, rule that you cannot play against the role you have been given. For example, if you are town, you cannot play for scum, and if you are scum, you cannot play as a traitor to scum and try to get town to win.

The reason for this is balance. Designing a Mafia game is all about trying to make sure the sides are evenly pitted against one another so each has a chance to win. It's supposed to be about how each team plays the game, not about one team getting an easy win because of a an unfair advantage.

In the case of Game 1, it was an open setup. Everyone knew the special roles there would be, and theoretically the game was in balance. Each side had a chance to win. But you introduced what my forum [in a loving way] calls [mod] bastardry. This is when the mod lies to the players in some way, or withholds information, or something along those lines, so the players are thrown off and something doesn't work as they are told it will in the initial setup. Except in this case, it wasn't the mod introducing the bastardry. When a mod does it, it is taken into account in terms of the balance -- the setup is tweaked so that bastardry doesn't tip the scales in favor of one side or the other. By doing it yourself, you threw off any sort of balance the mod had planned into the game, and potentially were the reason town lost so soundly.

I know you may pat yourself on the back for that, but in reality, it's kind of a jerk move, and makes the game a lot less enjoyable for others playing on both sides.

Anyway, sorry to hijack the thread here, especially to Dom, since it's his game [and apologies for the wall o text, it's just how I normally post]. Back to your regularly scheduled game.)

oh wow, forgot about this
maybe we can make a chat game instead?

Hahahahaa...
Something made me laugh so hard. Too obvious wolves, too obvious. ;D

Oh how I wish I could trust someone with that information if for nothing else, then for the sheer comedic value of it.

EDIT: Fellow villagers, wolves made a really really desperate move just a second ago.
I won't mention names and I can't prove it either since the game got deleted BUT:
A fellow player claimed to be a fellow angel to me in the game chat.
And he wanted that I would not save myself really really badly I refused him more than once.
In return he promised to save me so I can save whoever I wish or deem necessary.

Basically, I have a wolf for us to slaughter (yes I'm ballsy enough to risk with you actually being a really stupid angel). All I need is the seers to confirm I'm an angel.

Edited 8/27/2014 21:06:50

Is it a bloody random alt or noob deciding to support me. Looks well suspicious I know.

Just to confirm he's supporting me in telling phule the rules. Nothing to do with this game.

Edit: Ah o see now.

Edited 8/27/2014 21:14:22

@Kalira: Don't villagers have an advantage in majority? And anyway, what Silver's doing now -- if he's our (self-protecting) angel, is his ideas of having leaders is technically tipping the balance in favor for the villagers.

And here's the point: It makes the game less fun. Searching for the wolves in a montonous fashion? There's little drama, and no fun to be found there.

Anywho, I'll stay quiet now.

Edited 8/27/2014 21:17:16

Is it a bloody random alt or noob deciding to support me. Looks well suspicious I know.

Just to confirm he's supporting me in telling phule the rules. Nothing to do with this game.

Noob supporting you on an issue of gameplay, rather than anything else :)

Anyway, sorry to hijack the thread here, especially to Dom, since it's his game [and apologies for the wall o text, it's just how I normally post]. Back to your regularly scheduled game.

Nay bother! But expect an invite to the next game, now ;)

Please tell us what you mean silver. Who approached you? Why are you being cryptic with the info?

Silver why not say anyway?

I'm not cryptic, I said exactly what happened.
I won't reveal the name until I'm confirmed to be an angel though.

Why not?

Edit: I also totally agree with kalira. I just read the first game and one player playing against their role imbalances the game and is a total dick-move.

Edited 8/27/2014 21:32:23

The fire crackled on, and the villagers huddled together. They figured that, rather than repeating the mistakes of the last village, they wouldn't stay at home alone, and allow themselves to be picked off at will. They'd huddle together for warmth, and stick with the motto "safety in numbers", and the pesky wolves wouldn't be able to get to them! A cunning master-plan, all around were heard to say.

However, as the night wore on, the villagers began to get weary, and the sharp eyes which had, previously, detected the slightest movement, now missed obvious things, and in the darkness, figures were able to move at will, silently, undetected.

They struck whilst their victim was relieving himself. Being a medieval village, there were no modern contraptions, such as port-a-loo's, and so the wolf easily found their victim on his own on the outskirts of the group. He had elected to go behind a true, to protect his modesty and privacy, but it was to be his undoing, as the wolves used the few seconds he was out of the villagers sight to pounce.

Pulsey is DEAD. He was a villager

However, all was not lost, as at least one man was fighting off the tiredness, and spotted a glint in his colleague's eye. He was not an ordinary villager, but he was certainly on the side of the village!

ALL SEERS SAW A VILLAGE SPECIAL

1 vote each, 1 to die.

Town has the advantage in numbers, yes, but wolves have the advantage of knowing who their teammates are, the ability to chat and strategize outside the game thread, and a night kill (all of which are huge advantages, which is why they start off a lot fewer in number) -- all of this endemic to a vanilla game before you throw in things like power roles (on either side).

My above was not meant to be a strict lecture to/at you, but more of an explanation of why people don't do that sort of thing. If you're randomly assigned a vanilla townie role, it's just what you are supposed to roll with. Luck of the draw. Yes, vanilla townie may be boring sometimes, but you can make a heck of an impact on the game even so. Convincing scum to NK you instead of a power role without anyone being the wiser, figuring out that X player is definitely a wolf due to some slip they throw that nobody but you caught. Next time you may get to be a Mafia Godfather, or a Vigilante, or some other more exciting thing, but in the meantime, scumhunting can be very rewarding. :)

(Far as this game goes, I am not actually reading it at the moment, so I have no idea how that strategy will work out, but I wouldn't comment on strategy even if I knew, because I may introduce an advantage/disadvantage. Just remember that the only ones who know who they can trust are the wolves.)

In any case, have a good game. :)

Pulsey did well, he drew the wolves to him even though his seer claim was not that convincing. It seems Silver has been Seen by the still hidden Seer although there's a chance someone else was Seen.

Hello, would the seers who saw me please contact me?

Next phase will be confirming that you are in fact seers and not a wolf posing as one. So please don't bother wolves or you'll just get caught the next night. ;)

Edited 8/27/2014 21:49:27

@Kalira: Happy lurking! And as said above, I'll try to remain reasonably quiet, and well, what Silver's strategy is doing long-term, won't be fun. Stupid self-protecting angels. :(

... I still want to say this, though: I hate the lack of variety in the past game, and I really hate the monotonous way this game is heading for.