BTW - 0% weighted random luck all round.

as for templates - i would opt for more templates AS LONG as they are PROVEN to be competitive (balanced)

TrueSkill may be another solution for the problem of gaming the ladder

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1) TrueSkill for all ladders (it is expiration vs no expiration so it should be a fundamental question)
2) If a no expiration system is not voted in I want to propose the middle ground between current system and question #4 about consecutive games. Implement penalty point for first X games. For a person who does not stall and wants to get ranked it might be sometimes hard to finish exactly their first 15 games if they play slowly. Possibly 1st non-expired game can be worth -150, 2nd -140 and 15th -10 and all penalty points vanish when you finish first consecutive 15 games. Of course points distribution is flexible, it could easily work with 20 games requires with first worth -200, last worth -10. Still this is a half-measure, no expiration and TruSkill are the solutoin.
3)Europe 3v3 Ladder? :)
4)16%--->0% Without changing to sr it won't change the gameplay. On 1v1 ladder I don't recommend 0% sr, but )5 wr is always better than 16%
5)Poland 1v1 for rt ladder?
6)Turkey ld should go from rt ladder, EA&O map has to be changed to 0% (5vs3 fails are too much)
7)2v2 ladder different template altogether. 2 starts, a massive blockade and 16% luck gives a very bad template. Please let us know if you are automatically limiting 2v2 ladder to earth maps (most competetive templates use maps like europe, china, gme etc.) so that we can work on a competetive template for 2v2 ladder on one of those maps.

Additional rt ladder template:
http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6847871 Ancient greece II LD
That one should replace Turkey LD
By Poland 1v1 I meant last season template
Also another idea for 2v2 ladder:
Make it like i Plan Champions League and how rt ladder works, use 5-10 most competetive templates and use them randomly every game.

I'm too old for 1v1 and 2v2 ladder now, but a new 'team ladder' of any kind would be great! :)

thumb up for polls but i feel handling the cheating using alt accounts on ladders might be more important at this point.

Great suggestions! I edited the top post to include the items everyone has brought up.

Map: change from ME to MME is pretty the same. Heavy hearth is again based on Medium Earth template. Any chance to change map? If not, Fizzer pls write it.

The 1v1 and 2v2 ladders ideally should stay on some sort of world map, just to fit in with WarLight's basic theme of "conquering the world." Any map that shows the whole world is eligible.

So if the 1v1 ladder changes, will you be changing the 1v1 auto games as well?

Yes, the changes would affect the Strategic 1v1 / 2v2 templates everywhere they're used.


New ladders, such as 3v3, are certainly possible but I want this poll to focus on changes to the existing ones. Honestly, the biggest reason 3v3 ladder hasn't happened yet is because I'm not an experienced 3v3 player so I'm not really qualified to make it. I keep hoping someone will make a CLOT one to iron out all the kinks. If I had more time I'd make a CLOT one myself and try to hand it off to someone.

The 1v1 and 2v2 ladders ideally should stay on some sort of world map, just to fit in with WarLight's basic theme of "conquering the world." Any map that shows the whole world is eligible.

That's a good answer for 1v1 ladder, because is the most important ladder (and he also have the highest number of players).
But for 2v2, make no sense. In fact in realtime and seasonal ladder we played some maps that don't shows the entire world. Is this your last word? really no chance to put in polls Eu maps/templates? :(

About 3v3 ladders: wouldn't be enough for you just copy all the code from 2v2 ladder and try a 3v3 ladder? i don't understand the problem you have with 3v3. It doesn't work like 2v2? you need to redo all the code?

Edited 8/25/2014 14:11:46

just to fit in with WarLight's basic theme of "conquering the world."

I have found my purpose in life......all hail fizzer *bows*

There are tons of maps and templates in WL nowadays, a lot of players have been involved in recent years to enrich the game of new playgrounds and possibilities via mapmaking and the creation of new competitive templates. Keep focusing ladders around the "ME strat" sounds like a waste to me. Opening a 3vs3 Europe ladder would be nice and popular. Same for a new map and template concerning the 2vs2 ladder, China or Szeuropa for example would fit nice and it would really bring something new and attractive, both are balanced and selective templates.

weighted round replaced by sraight round
Larger blockade in 1v1 450%ish
dont change to MME
smaller reinforcement card +3ish
no 3v3 EU ladder, it would suck and be a waste of your time
no trueskill, games need to expire
let people get ranked after 15 games unless they would be put in top 10, in which case make them complete another 10 and make them finish all the original 15 before getting ranked.

What about Ra's new Earth map? It is a bit bigger than the current map and so should be able to handle 3 or 4 picks per person, which is one of the main complaint about the current 2v2 ladder template.

http://warlight.net/Map?ID=14538

New Earth/Heavy Earth should provide a big enough map for more than 2 picks per player even if people don't really like the template. I'm sure people would warm up to it eventually.

Multi-attack should be promoted through seasonal. It's fun, and opens up your mind to a lot of creative strategies using the blockade/gift card.

Some of your options may need a little more explaining some people may not know the difference between 'true skill' and 'bayeselo' for example.

Also if you read the forums still can we have a guides section to help new players?

I agree with Psy, there are so many map options. I'm not sure why everything is centralized around ME. I think having multiple 1v1 ladders would be interesting. You can have the original, guiroma, China, etc. It may be more work than possible but it would allow Warlight to evolve away from just one template.

If that's not an option I would like 0% WR on all ladders. I don't really care about the blockade so either way is fine. Also an increased number of completed games, before a ranking is awarded, sounds good. 25 would be nice.

- 1v1 and 2v2 ladder: Trueskill and 15 chronologically first games must be completed to get a rank

- rt ladder: ME and LD templates should be reduced

Edited 8/25/2014 15:48:41

"Real-time ladder: What templates you think should be removed?"

I don't play rt ladder just because I don't know the most part of the templates. I think the old and experienced players have a clear advantage against "recent" players because they had played several games with every single template. In that sense, an idea could be a periodical revolution of all the templates of rt ladder.

if you do so, half of player will leave bc new templates.

szeropa for 2v2!!

Can you please remove local deployment in real-time...maybe i just suck at it....also for the time on 1v1 ladders instead of making it 3 months for games games to expire maybe 2 months?!?!? Because here is what ive been noticing we are running jnto a lot of alts problems on ladders and when games take 3 months to expire....anyone can easily make a new account and lvl up to lvl 49 to join ladders because of lotteries games and
Multiday games...So please make the time for the games to expire become 2 months!!

Szeuropa for 2v2 ladder. Europe is among the most played maps in WL.