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Activision is suing us!: 2021-08-03 17:39:30


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and so it begins. pretty sure having two co leaders will hurt communication. feel bad for all the staff affected
Activision is suing us!: 2021-08-03 21:00:20

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So, are we safe? We don't have to change our name?
Activision is suing us!: 2021-08-03 22:53:43


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When this game debuted, the thought of a "war room" atmosphere crossed my mind. If Fizzer has to change the name, retitle it, "WarRoom".

I am unaware of any variant of 'war room' previously register trade marked for a game. However, "War Room" is a title of a 2015 movie. Assuming the word War is to be used, there are several options:

War Room (in my opinion, an accurate description)
WarRoom
War Map (a close second)
Map War
War Lines
War Command
War Commander
War TACC
Activision is suing us!: 2021-08-03 23:41:30


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WarLight
Activision is suing us!: 2021-08-04 00:22:09


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Why was Warlight rebranded Warzone?
Activision is suing us!: 2021-08-04 01:42:33


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So, are we safe? We don't have to change our name?
Having to change the name as a result of a court decision was never a realistic risk to begin with.

Activision is going for a rather weak trademark- a descriptive word mark with acquired secondary meaning (i.e., "warzone" just describes Call of Duty: Warzone, which takes place in a virtual warzone, and Warzone Classic, which also has players fight for control of warzones, so both of those games just use the term "warzone" to describe what they are- but when someone hears "warzone," they think Call of Duty: Warzone, since it's so wildly successful- and therefore Activision should have a trademark to "warzone" because they have a "warzone" brand they have legal rights to protect from others who try to pass their products as Call of Duty: Warzone-related by misusing the word "warzone"). It's the same logic as the trademark for Sharp-brand televisions: sharp just describes the resolution, but if you hear "sharp television" you think Sharp brand- so they need/have the legal right to make sure no one else misuses the word "sharp" to make their product look like it's actually coming from Sharp. To make this concrete, EA and CDProjekt have had similar trademark registrations for "battlefield" and "cyberpunk," respectively. (And before you say, "How are they able to trademark cyberpunk? It's just the name of the genre!" - that's exactly the point. It's a weak trademark that they can't just use against everyone who uses the word "cyberpunk" and instead have to jump through a bunch of hoops to apply when defending themselves from actual bad-faith users who want to try to pass off their products as related to CDProjekt's well-known Cyberpunk video game series.)

If you check the internet, you'll find that there's plenty of unaffiliated games, apps, and pieces of software with "battlefield" or "cyberpunk" in their names and/or descriptions, from both before and after EA and CDProjekt got their trademark registrations; clearly those trademarks didn't prevent others from simply using those words. The scenario where Activision gets the "warzone" trademark and then successfully goes after prior user Warzone.com, LLC, gets their domain taken away (ICANN's Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution policy has strict requirements that Activision won't be able to meet), gets their apps taken down (Apple has their legal team manually review trademark disputes like this one, and if you check Google's Play Store you'll find plenty of "cyberpunk"s and "battlefield"s), and forces Warzone.com to drop the word "warzone" (or just cease operation entirely) through legal and semi-legal means seems exceedingly unlikely to me given the weakness of the trademark (if Activision wins) and Warzone.com's position as a good-faith prior user that- per Activision's own claims- no reasonable consumer would mistakenly believe to have anything to do with Activision.

If Activision wanted to make Warzone force-change its name, they could have bundled that into this prayer for relief in this case. The same arguments they're making to claim the trademark lend themselves to arguing someone else is infringing on their mark. But they haven't, because with or without the registration that legal avenue doesn't exist for them.

If a name change happens, it would probably be for business reasons or as part of a settlement agreement where Activision funds Warzone.com, LLC's rebranding costs in exchange for Warzone.com, LLC getting out of their hair.

Why was Warlight rebranded Warzone?
Warlight is a portmanteau of "War" and "Silverlight," which is the name of the original software that Warzone was developed in. Moreover, the owner of warlight.com did not want to sell the domain so Warlight was forever consigned to warlight.net.

The rebranding of Warlight to Warzone was originally announced in 2015, iirc, but was not well-received by the community and didn't happen until 2017, when it was bundled into the rewrite of Warlight from Flash/Haxe into Unity. You can find further speculation and commentary about this in old (2017) forum threads like https://www.warzone.com/Forum/286054-choose-worse-name-warlight

It's worth noting here that, since the rebrand, a Canadian author came out with a book called Warlight (about growing up in war-torn Rwanda or something to that tune) and so, if Warzone.com renames itself to Warlight, there's a high chance they still won't show up at the top of search engine results for their own name. Although, for what it's worth, I doubt a "Warlight" Twitch category would get taken over by people who want to livestream themselves reading the novel Warlight. So there's that.

On the whole, after the information that's come out in this case and the sheer oddity of it all*, an especially cynical part of me thinks this thread should be renamed from "Activision is suing us!" to "Fizzer is using us!" Starting to look a lot like a play to mislead well-intentioned donors into funding a zero-downside-high-upside trademark shakedown play (others pay the legal costs, hire discount lawyers, pocket the gains if the play works out and ofc hold onto any leftover donation funds) to go after a massive company with a shaky, barely-there legal case and hope they settle for a large sum. Either that or Activision's lawyers are right and Warzone is just really invested in the word "warzone" and salty about its search engine performance:
At base, Counterclaimant’s lawsuit is premised on its apparent annoyance that Activision’s game is more popular than Counterclaimant’s game, and thus now appears before Counterclaimant’s game in a Google search for the word “Warzone."


* What's with these settlement negotiations that keep falling through? How much is Warzone asking for that Activision would rather spend their money on likely at least six figures in court costs and legal fees? Why is there this whole dispute around the cease-and-desist letter and all these efforts by Fizzer to paint Activision as an out-of-the-blue aggressor when Warzone first showed up on Activision's radar after opposing their trademark registration and asking for 0.25% (millions of dollars) of CoD:WZ profits? Why are we being fed doomsday risk scenarios that won't happen? Why does the claimed justification for this case keep changing (from "I’m being sued by Activision for being an indie game developer." to "they can remove my apps from the app store" to asking the court to prevent Activision from using "warzone" and to make them pay Warzone.com, LLC)? Why does the GoFundMe try to claim things that aren't even relevant to proving trademark confusion constitute proof of actual consumer confusion? Why do Activision's lawyers seem unusually confident and keep making ballsy moves instead of just parting with a rounding error's worth of money and moving on with their lives? If this is all just a sincere, root-for-the-underdog, David-against-Goliath play, what's with all the sketchiness, misdirection, and burying of information ("I actually never sent them a cease and desist, they're lying about that. All I did was file opposition to the trademark, which I had to do or they could pull my apps off the app store." leaves out the Nov. 2020 letter, the demand for millions in damages, and implies Fizzer didn't do anything beyond file an opposition with USPTO)?

Then again, I might be wrong and missing something huge. And maybe Warzone.com, LLC, is really just gearing up to kick Activision's ass and hold onto the trademark rights that are naturally theirs. Sure hope so.

Edited 8/4/2021 05:15:41
Activision is suing us!: 2021-08-04 08:54:45


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This hurts my brain. I just wanted to know when the law-thing is over and we know what to do next.
Activision is suing us!: 2021-08-04 10:47:17


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my eyes hurt from this big msg
Activision is suing us!: 2021-08-04 10:49:45


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jk still calls it warlight
Activision is suing us!: 2021-08-04 20:04:34


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Wait shouldn’t Warzone.com be able to keep there name since they were first, so absurd.
Activision is suing us!: 2021-08-04 21:01:26


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Wait shouldn’t Warzone.com be able to keep there name since they were first, so absurd.


Yes, but, Activision is a billion dollar company with a team of lawyers, versus Fizzer,.....who has a GoFundMe page.
Activision is suing us!: 2021-08-04 22:01:39


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TLDR - Warzone can keep it's name. This lawsuit was never about whether warzone can keep its name. Though, it might be smart to change the name for business reasons (not legal reasons).

The amount of ignorance on this thread is putrid. People like knyte try to explain it, but yall don't listen because it's "too much to read." If it's too much to read, you certainly didn't read any of the actual legal documents of the case, which are far longer. So either listen to a watered down version of it, or don't make an opinion on the topic.

It really is that simple.
Activision is suing us!: 2021-08-04 23:45:03


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The lawsuit isn't about whether Activision can stop Warzone.com from using "warzone"; you've got it backwards. It's about whether Warzone.com can stop Activision from using "warzone" (or make them pay Warzone.com money because Warzone.com used it first [well, sort of first- there's a dozen prior users before either of these two]) and whether Activision can stop others down the line from using "warzone" to make their product look like it came from Activision.
Activision is suing us!: 2021-08-05 00:22:41


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https://www.mygamecounsel.com/2021/04/articles/intellectual-property/activision-warzone-call-of-duty-series/

Activision Files Lawsuit Over the Rights to Use the Word “Warzone” in the Call Of Duty Series

On April 8, 2021, Activision Publishing, Inc. filed a lawsuit against Warzone.com LLC regarding the use of the word marks “Warzone” and “Call of Duty Warzone.” Activision is the publisher of the Call of Duty series of military-themed “first-person shooter” games. Warzone.com is the developer of a multiplayer turn-based strategy and negotiation game similar to Hasbro’s Risk.

Activision’s complaint alleges that, in 2020, Activision released a free-to-play multiplayer game titled Call of Duty: Warzone, a “large-scale, highly competitive, fast-paced military combat game in which 150 players fight to be the last soldier standing in a massive, detailed, fully-realized ‘Warzone,’ spanning more than nine square kilometers of virtual space.” Activision alleges that Warzone.com’s game Warzone, which Warzone.com claims was released in 2017, is a “low-budget, niche virtual board game” where players “take turns moving numbers (representing ‘armies’) across a map of the world.” The complaint alleges that Warzone is available on Warzone.com’s website and on mobile devices, but, unlike Call of Duty: Warzone, not on game consoles.

The dispute between the two parties originated in June 2020, after Activision filed applications to register the trademarks “Warzone” and “Call of Duty Warzone.” Warzone.com opposed Activision’s applications and filed its own trademark applications to register the mark “Warzone.” Activision alleges that Warzone.com has demanded that Activision change the name of its games, stop using the word “Warzone,” and abandon Activision’s trademark applications.

Warzone.com claims that Activision’s use of “Warzone” in its game title, marketing, and advertising has confused members of the public, including players of Warzone. Activision contends its use of “Warzone” and “Call of Duty Warzone” is not likely to cause consumer confusion because the parties’ games are so different in style, gameplay, appearance, trade channels, consumer base, and design mark sand logos. Activision’s complaint lists 16 other games with the word “Warzone” in their titles that are available as a browser-based game or on mobile devices. At this time, Call of Duty: Warzone is not available on mobile devices.

In its complaint, Activision seeks a judgment declaring that, among other things, (1) Warzone.com does not possess exclusive trademark rights to the term “Warzone”; (2) Activision use of “Warzone” or “Call of Duty Warzone” marks do not infringe and has not infringed on Warzone.com’s alleged trademark; (3) Activision is entitled to have its pending trademark applications for “Warzone” and “Call of Duty Warzone” to mature to registration; and (4) Warzone.com’s pending trademark applications should not proceed.

The outcome of this lawsuit could have interesting implications for how courts analyze consumer confusion and public perception of games in various media. For instance, when considering game titles and potential intellectual property rights, game developers may need to research and consider games in broader channels than before, including in genres that are not in direct competition.

The lawsuit is currently pending in the United States District Court for the Central District of California as Case No. 2:21-cv-03073. A copy of the complaint can be found here.

https://www.mygamecounsel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2021/04/2021-04-08-ActivisionVsWarzoneLawsuit.pdf
Activision is suing us!: 2021-08-05 01:17:22


sanmu the shamu
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Yes, that's the summary.

Did you just want to post a summary, or were you trying to say something?
Activision is suing us!: 2021-08-05 10:40:39


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Let's just frame this in terms of absolute win scenarios in court, keeping in mind that there are plenty of other conceivable outcomes beyond just these two, which just represent the extremes:

Scenario 1: Warzone.com absolutely wins and gets everything they're asking for
Warzone.com is able to convince the court that "warzone" is inherently distinctive (either suggestive or arbitrary[1]) and Warzone.com should get the registered trademark to the word "warzone" because they're (sort of) first-to-use. Furthermore, they convince the court that Activision infringed on their common-law trademark for the word "warzone" in their branding and marketing of Call of Duty: Warzone.

In this world:
1) Activision is either forced to stop using "warzone" in their products and marketing or has to pay Warzone.com, LLC, for the rights to continue using the word "warzone."
2) Activision pays Warzone.com a hefty amount to cover 3x the damage they caused to Warzone.com, LLC, by using the word "warzone" to market Call of Duty: Warzone.
3) Warzone.com, LLC, is in a position to demand money from anyone down the line who wants to use the word "warzone" in their software (even if it's not for a turn-based strategy game) or stop them from using the word "warzone."

Basically, if Warzone.com gets everything they're asking for, they get a payday from Activision and can assert their right to the word "warzone" to prevent others down the line from using that word (at least, without paying Warzone.com).

Scenario 2: Activision absolutely wins and gets everything they're asking for
Activision is able to convince the court that Call of Duty: Warzone doesn't infringe on any intellectual property rights belonging to Warzone.com. Furthermore, they're able to convince the court that "warzone" is merely descriptive but because everyone thinks Call of Duty: Warzone when they hear "warzone,"[2] Activision should get a registered trademark to "warzone."

In this world:
1) Warzone.com doesn't get a fat payday off of Activision or a registered trademark for the word "warzone."
2) Warzone.com still gets to keep using the word "warzone" because they used it first and, by Activision's own argument, their usage results in no consumer confusion.
3) Activision has a weak trademark to "warzone" that they can use to go after others in the future who try to use the word "warzone" to pass off their own software products as related to Activision in some way. They would have to prove far more than mere usage of the word "warzone," since the word is merely descriptive. (This is like how the makers of Cyberpunk 2077 can't just shut down everyone who uses the word "cyberpunk.")

Basically, if Activision gets everything they're asking for, they can continue to not think about Warzone.com, LLC, and minimize legal & copycat risk involved in continuing to build the Call of Duty: Warzone brand.
Hopefully summarizing things this way makes the stakes more digestible. One party's trying to use legal technicalities to squat on a word, get a sweet payday, and strong-arm future market entrants into paying them money if they want to use a relatively common English word[3][4] in their marketing. It's just not the party you'd think.

But I'm not even really sure that Warzone.com is trying to win this case for real. They instead seem to be trying to look strong and get a settlement by working with discount lawyers and writing aggressive letters[5] like the cease and desist that backfired and got them sued. Or perhaps they're simply exercising the same questionable judgement[6] and operational awareness you'd expect of a company that begins their foray into brand-building by blowing $60,000[7] on a domain name they later have to ask for $50,000 on a GoFundMe to recoup the investment on.

Like I said, there's undoubtedly a lot of non-public information about this case. Yet Activision's lawyers have that information too, and even with all they know that we don't, they seem to be awfully confident about their position. They spent the bulk of their latest court filing politely calling Warzone.com stupid and asking the judge to mercy-rule this case before Warzone.com dig their hole any deeper. Maybe Fizzer really is trying to play his offsuit 2 and 7 like a pair of aces, and Activision ain't folding.

As much as I enjoy underdog stories, there's a certain thrill to rooting for the smart, competent side as they thrash the confused D-division-players trying to punch above their weight. It's like watching Germany vs. Iran in football: you think it'd be cool if Iran somehow pulls this off, but then you watch their behavior[8] and realize they don't have the slightest clue what they're up against... and you instead find solace in Germany sending them a cruel reminder that there's some real skill in this sport and you can't just bluff, blunder[9], and fake your way against a serious opponent.

Links:
1: https://trademarkfactory.com/faq/what-are-generic-descriptive-suggestive-arbitrary-and-fanciful-trademarks
2: https://www.cali.org/lesson/807
3: https://www.govinfo.gov/app/search/%7B%22offset%22%3A0%2C%22query%22%3A%22collection%3A(GPO%20OR%20BUDGET%20OR%20CZIC%20OR%20CFR%20OR%20CPD%20OR%20BILLS%20OR%20CCAL%20OR%20CPRT%20OR%20CDIR%20OR%20CDOC%20OR%20CHRG%20OR%20CREC%20OR%20CRECB%20OR%20CRI%20OR%20CRPT%20OR%20SERIALSET%20OR%20ECONI%20OR%20ERP%20OR%20ERIC%20OR%20FR%20OR%20GAOREPORTS%20OR%20HOB%20OR%20HMAN%20OR%20HJOURNAL%20OR%20LSA%20OR%20GOVPUB%20OR%20PAI%20OR%20PPP%20OR%20PLAW%20OR%20SMAN%20OR%20COMPS%20OR%20STATUTE%20OR%20USCODE%20OR%20USCOURTS%20OR%20GOVMAN)%20AND%20publishdate%3Arange(%2C2019-12-31)%20AND%20content%3A(warzone)%22%2C%22historical%22%3Atrue%7D
4: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/IlyaSemenov/wikipedia-word-frequency/master/results/enwiki-20190320-words-frequency.txt
5: https://www.newmanlaw.com/how-we-win/
6: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6831632
7: https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2021/06/04/warzone-name-lawsuit/
8: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZEI7nua39U
9: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13J6VyPccSxmNRYE7BRx6FiQIqXpdN2S6/view?usp=sharing

Edited 8/6/2021 19:16:17
Activision is suing us!: 2021-08-05 11:46:42

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Just a couple of couple things :

You keep saying Fizzer's Warzone is "sort of" 1st to use. Well I read (maybe from you) here earlier that they are the first with current business existence to be using it (former users don't economically exist any more, therefore have no legal right on this name). That gives a more serious note than your undermining "sort of" expression (I know you're against Fizzer for personal reasons but let's keep things fair as you already do otherwise).

If Warzone wins, it can ask royalties from others using or wanting to use the word warzone. Ok but correct me if I'm wrong (for personal information), it's only while Warzone.com exist right ? And with business related existence (if there was no income from WZ, could it still request to be alone to use the word ?) ? And so, even without ever registering the word as trademark ?

It seems, at the end of the day, that lawyers will eventually have to choose between "being first to (be economically) using a name" VS "having gained global popularity with a name" ?

If so, on this matter, aren't there ever been a similar legal issue in the past, that judges (and parties) could know and use to end (and not even start in first place) this case ? Or is Fizzer a first time ever on this matter ?

Also, if (apparently) Fizzer values the name of its product millions of dollars, how much does he value its product alone ? Billions ? How much usually is IP valued compare to a business value (true question) ?

You seem to be forgetting scenario 3 (which is indeed close to your 2) :
- judges say nobody violates any rules here, move on, things can stay the same
- except that nobody is allowed to register the word "warzone" (but "COD : warzone" is fine) (or even, Fizzer is allowed to register "warzone", but can't stop Activision from using "COD : warzone"). Those suffering from competitors having "warzone" in their name are free to keep suffering so, or to change the name of their product.
- Legal fees (I mean lawyers fares) are to be paid by the party which attacked (and failed) the other. Since both parties attacked each other on different subjects, no legal fees are to be paid between parties.

And more importantly. If you ever need a lawyer, don't call a lawyer, call Knyte :D (and I think you study business, not even just law lol)

Edited 8/5/2021 12:00:12
Activision is suing us!: 2021-08-05 12:23:09


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so warzone more or less started this chain of lawsuits?
Activision is suing us!: 2021-08-05 12:45:06


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if fizzer wins the right to name warzone, he will force activision to rename game, as well as claim all profits from the name "Warzone." At this point, I think activision just wants to clarify it is "Call of Duty: Warzone" (in my personal opinion i believe they advertise the game as just "Warzone") so they dont risk having to pay out retribution. you're talking hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue. activision would not go under but it could hurt the whole call of duty franchise, even shut it down.

if activision wins they cant shut down fizzer, they can only drown him out (idk how its possible to drown him out anymore than they already have)

fizzer is asking for a lot but it is HIS intellectual property and if activision advertised the game as "Warzone," well fizzer is entitled to the profits :)
Activision is suing us!: 2021-08-05 12:46:26


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activision filed for a trademark then warzone sent a "cease and desist" (which could have been a simple "hey dont trademark, altho activision is alleging they were basically extorted)

now its a legal battle in california, the same state that is suing activision.

you cant mix cases up but it doesnt look *great*
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