I definitely think matchmaking should be adjusted to ensure the issue Norman is discussing is fixed - I believe I (and others) flagged this in the previous big thread on free wins and matchmaking.

I am also interested in a clarification on the rules regarding cheating and what the penalties are, I think a more transparent process and penalty system could be beneficial for all...

There's no cheating happening, that much is clear - join for whatever you like, as simple as that.

But there is room for improvement, which is maximizing the # of games played rather than games matched on close ratings.

Making the choice a "preferred option" is 1 option.

Another option (actually can do both, don't have to choose) is just option up CW games to QM-style. Still keep the existing CW windows every 4 hrs with lots of templates and matchmaking, still give free wins, etc. BUT also offer the ability for anyone to just enter a CW queue similar to QM. Make some templates available, let me choose one or more I'm interested in playing, then match me someone from another clan. Use the rating matchmaking algorithm, go wild ... but there's never a free win here. If I get a game, great, and if I don't, I try again another time or at one of the 4 hr windows.

Why is this good? B/c people's lives down revolve around 4 hr windows. Today for example, I have had lots of time for WZ, just not at (in my time when the time slots fall) 20:00 yesterday, 00:00 today, 04:00, 08:00 or 12:00, and I know I also won't at 16:00. Work and sleep have kept me away from these windows. Which is sad b/c as I said I've been active on WZ yet just not at those times. And I know I'm not the only one. I think this would be great for CW.

Work/school sleep and dinner/lunch always keeps me away from timeslots, so only the 22:00 CET is viable option for me. Thats rather late, and when i'm doing something in the evening, its annoying to have to set aside time just to be online for CW.

Now that CW is no longer a new and fancy thing, i notice myself missing more and more days cause its just too inconvenient to play.
Shifting the slots might fix this, but it will just move my problem to someone in a different time zone.

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I am also interested in a clarification on the rules regarding cheating and what the penalties are, I think a more transparent process and penalty system could be beneficial for all...

From what i've seen in the past, i think the player in question just gets a warning for abusing his alt(s), and thats it. I dont remember Fizzer ever taking away wins from a clan or anything like that.

Another option could be to have another window that lists which players are signed up for a template (instead of just of many players there are).

That way, you will know who you are up against and can take the chance or not... It will be up to you.

That said, it will not fix anything regarding free wins... unless it makes more people play.

Edited 6/18/2021 17:10:03

Nah, that would lead to avoiding certain players or clans cause they might be too good.

This.

Work/school sleep and dinner/lunch always keeps me away from timeslots, so only the 22:00 CET is viable option for me. Thats rather late, and when i'm doing something in the evening, its annoying to have to set aside time just to be online for CW.

Now that CW is no longer a new and fancy thing, i notice myself missing more and more days cause its just too inconvenient to play.

It shouldn't require intentional effort and real life schedule rearrangement to play in something that we're already active on.

There's no cheating happening, that much is clear - join for whatever you like, as simple as that.

Because one is not aware does not mean it has not happened

I'm getting free wins by getting matched up against Marcus Aurelius, could we make the matchmaking fairer please

I disagree with Fizzer's logic. If there is no matchup, they should not get a free win IMO. Not only does it alter the statistics of this 'ranking' system, it also denies those people a game. Maybe they actually wanted to kill some time and play. I know I would be a bit annoyed since I don't play Clan Wars super often. The free win is kindof dumb if I just wanted to play Warzone for a half hour and cannot.

I think we should be allowed to pick a secondary template like someone suggested.

I don't think masters being good should even be talked about in here. You have a problem with that? GET good.

It's ok and proper for someone to join the template they are most skilled at. If nobody can compete with them, they deserve a win.
That is not the problem.
They deserve the win, but as result of this process, almost noone plays 2v2s -> it is a dead template.
Even actions which are morally acceptable and follow rules may have negative effects.

A word of caution.
Napoleon (https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=57137334353) is an alt of Marcus Aurelius (https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=81112586401).
While I've never had problems with alternative accounts being allowed (having a few myself in the past) isn't it time to properly ban all alts?
The reasoning here would be using accounts to "spy" on other clans CW slots.
Or maybe make an official alt system, where you have to link in settings all your alts to your main and only 1 account can be in a clan at the same time.

I was wondering why we usually faced Masters in 2v2s, I think I now know why.

Of course there is no way to prove this and people may call me paranoid, but it does raise an issue even if it currently was not the case.
Mind you, this is the same guy who pulled some shady stuff in CL this season, wait for it, yes again in 2v2 so it's not like I'm accusing someone with no rule-breaking history.

If Fizzer wants CW to be truly casual, there is no reason to encourage such a behavior.

the reason you usually face masters in 2v2 is that we like playing it and try to always have a team ready when possible. Most people who play 2v2s face masters most of the time

kratt are you ok?

True. I've seen slots where all the 2v2's were masters vs various other clans lol

Maybe he's paranoid, but he also has a point. I know of someone who infiltrated another clan with an alt, gained the trust of the leaders, and kicked 99% of the players to try to get his main's clan ahead. I Don't think all alts should be banned, but serious mesures should be in place to deal with cheaters and such.

Maybe he's paranoid, but he also has a point. I know of someone who infiltrated another clan with an alt, gained the trust of the leaders, and kicked 99% of the players to try to get his main's clan ahead. I Don't think all alts should be banned, but serious mesures should be in place to deal with cheaters and such.

If this is confirmed to be true, why wouldn't this player just get outright banned? Clearly this is against all spirits of competition and fair play as listed in the TOS. The terms are pretty vague but they definitely making it clear that taking actions which give you an unfair advantage is against the TOS and thus bannable.

And if people are spying on other clans ... isn't this also cheating? Can't prove it, but if you know who the alts are, easy to fix, just boot them out.

If this is confirmed to be true, why wouldn't this player just get outright banned? Clearly this is against all spirits of competition and fair play as listed in the TOS. The terms are pretty vague but they definitely making it clear that taking actions which give you an unfair advantage is against the TOS and thus bannable.

I would like to know which clan this was about, but if its about the recent incident in Excel: Fahrenheit is not playing in CW, so that was not a motive for the incident. On top of that, (as Fizzer or some admin told me) MR should only be given to players you fully trust, so abuse of MR is an issue for the clan owner, and not a violation of the rules.

so abuse of MR is an issue for the clan owner, and not a violation of the rules.

I think it can be both. It's definitely an issue with the clan owner, but it's also causing an unfair advantage in games. Brushing that off is like saying we're going to let a criminal off of a bank robbery charge because he received a ticket on the getaway car which was illegally parked outside the bank.

MASTERs are very common in CW. Especially in MME Multi-Attack I am either getting a free win, fight a MASTER or fight someone decent like Dom365.

Edited 6/25/2021 18:13:24