i think we want to be careful when we ask for all this rewards, fizzer will think we are greedy ;)

that being said small incentives could have big effects. especially the reward for earning a territory/winning clan war game.

^ if the rewards are too big and plentiful then the game will become boring as people get vast amounts of money

I think even tiny rewards like making each CW game a free 1 coin game would improve participation. We've seen that people join all sorts of weird tournaments if they are free to enter and have a coin reward - even if it's small.

Don't think we're in jeopardy of people having "vast amounts of money". As it is now, getting 3rd place in CW got me 17 coins last season, so even if you increased that 10x, it's far from being a "vast amount" given that it stretches over >1 month period and >30 games played.

Anyhow, it's a moot point anyhow, regardless of what we ask for, obviously a change that breaks the game would never be implemented.

This was Fizzer's response to me btw:

"The current data is way too early to draw any conclusions from. Clan Wars is a very new feature. You may not have been around, but the seasonal ladder was not very competitive in its first 10 seasons either. It takes time for people to organize. I predict by season 10 we'll have a much healthier competition for the top spots. I'm not going to make changes on something that's still developing."

Thanks for sharing that.

I'm not terribly fussed about the # of players not changing right now, but I am disappointed that that response implies that nothing else is changing either, namely the timeslots, which I think need work to make it more accessible/easier for people to play.

That also implies that nothing material will change until season 10, which will likely be at least 6 months from now. :(

well hopefully fizzer will have read this i think there are some very good points made! it is his game and he does a very good job! seasonals are very fun and im sure clan war will keep improving

This would be nice.
It would also be nice to drop the rating altogether and let the only important stat (number of wins) count towards matchmaking, so that low-skill clans like MH can stop gaming the system by willingly decreasing their rating in order to get easier matchups or free wins.

so that low-skill clans like MH can stop gaming the system by willingly decreasing their rating

Either M'Hunters is dropping games on purpose, which isn't a winning strategy, or there is a lack of understanding here how Elo works.

- Easy introduction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnOVLBbYlU0
- Calculator to play with some numbers: https://wismuth.com/elo/calculator.html#rating1=1200&rating2=1000

The last time some of your clanmates were talking on Discord about M'Hunters decreasing their Elo by joining certain games, there were some helpful Python players helping me to explain why this is, practically speaking, an impossibility.

Edit: Ah no, on Discord your clanmates thought we were "artificially rising our rating" and not "artificially depressing it". But anyhow, the linked Youtube video should still help.

Edited 7/27/2021 14:18:07

@Sephiroth

If PKU, WG or ONE! would start playing games we could alter their rating and take our true place as 3rd. As is, we're only avoiding those 3 clans with our lower elo than yours. In the first week they had played a combined 51 games. Over 39 timeslots and 102 templates. I think we managed to avoid you perhaps twice?

And free wins? You're really struggling there #lolz
Maybe Norman has a free wins youtube link for you

TSFH will always be third

Edit: Nvrmind

Edited 7/29/2021 14:20:19

I think we should get rid of clan wars

i disagree

I think decreasing the player cap isn't a good idea at all; it's the activity of the 40 players, and that alone, that wins clan wars. If you think the same clans are winning CW over and over again, that's because the same clans have the most active (and good) 40 CW players.
If anything, the way to fix the problem of other clans not having a chance would be the increase (or remove) the cap on clan member numbers, so that the new clans can get more members and thereby increase their likelihood of being able to compete with large, active pre-cap clans like TSFH and MHunters.

Seems that all we agree on is that no one has a method that everyone agrees is better than what is already in place.

yh but we can all agree that the current method isn't quite right