You ask why I vote Lawlz, hmm? I voted for the same reason I had given when I voted: people have claimed he is a wolf, but nothing ever actually happened afterwards.


I do agree with you, though, that we should follow the confirmed villagers.

Some random thoughts of mine in a not at all organized format....

Clavicus-
While I appreciate you including me in your "core group of villagers", I am definitely not a confirmed villager. Nor are you. Nor is his balls. I would have a hard time sitting on that panel when my #1 suspect (you) is also sitting on that panel. See how that's kind of a conflict for me?

Arun-
You asked for angel protection and then we lost one of our confirmed villagers who probably would have had angel protection if you hadn't asked for it. This looks very much like a set up by you. On the other side of the coin, JSA was the one targeted. Because he was your ally against his balls, this kill would seem to endorse your claim against his balls. Either way, you wanted to survive one turn so that you could give us a slam dunk case against his balls. The floor is yours, what do you have?

Confirmed Villagers-
I see a lot of people suggesting various people be lynched this turn. I think just about everyone (except you two) has had a case made against them, so this is where I (and maybe others) could use your leadership in... What kind of a lynch do we want tonight? Are we trying to find a mastermind wolf (Arun vs. his balls) or are we trying to get any kill we can get? (kasparov, lawlz, kantos, hhh)

I repeat again. Mastermind Wolf = Ace Widu. A strong possibility.

Dr Stupid, I suggest these core villagers come to an agreement. I am happy to go with the confirmed as are the others that have been in that group I listed. It's no sign of leadership only agreed upon mutual interest.

ok. fair enough clavicus. skunk and TI, please see my question above.

Times like this wish I was still alive... Hope to have more success next game.

You are still in our thoughts bdh. We will fight to the end and cherish the memory of all our fallen.

I'll do a full posts with my thoughts on eveeyone later but for now let's look at everyone's suspects. So if everyone could do a top 5 suspects list (ideally with reason) we should be able to make some deductions from that. This is a post- night kill list please. If it hasn't changed re-state it.

My list (reasoning to follow)
Lawlz
Hhh
Kantos
Kasp
Ace

The bottom two are very very vague for me and I will have to check later.

Edited 10/8/2014 05:33:22

Oh and quickly about the jay kill. I really thought it might be TI getting killed as the wolves would want jay skunk and Arun to lead me to the gallows. But it seems they went for a different tactic.

Arun, think about the wisdom in what you say here:

JSA spearheaded a campaign to lynch His Balls. He was also a special. The wolves decided he was their best target despite him being a possible Angel priority. His Balls looks veeeerryyyy suspicious now.

If that makes you even surer than apparently sure before then you are not thinking deep enough. It would be a very bold wolf to kill his main accuser half an hour after they had stated their intentions. I realise this is what they call a WIFOM situation but at the very least you have to consider once again that the wolves are attempting to deceive and the conclusion you have drawn is the one they wanted. Remember, they have precedent for this tactic, lynching rento in an attempt to incriminate timi.

Edited 10/8/2014 05:35:17

And about Arun before I forget. Everything you do seems to be an attempt to muddy the waters and you really are pushing to get back on my list.

You voted lawlz apparently because you were tierd. One hour later (you should have been in bed) you were apologising for a mistaken vote. Another hour later (again you should have been in bed) lawlz had dropped to 4th on your list. What changed? This is strange behaviour and there is no explanation.

Add this to the fact that you went straight to jay with my thoughts on why skunk might be holding his info (after I explained why that was not a good idea) and you can see why you are moving up my list.

Yeah actually Arun you are back above ace. Very much looking forward to your bulletproof case on me.

Anyway guys let's see your lists. Just names will do for now.

Edited 10/8/2014 05:34:27

Tired after swimming... I don't think my vote was that late.

I trust Clavicus and to some extent Dr. Stupid. Therefore I will drop his balls for now. The reason I push so is I really want to take out the wolf mastermind. Now that may be Ace, I'm less certain.

Suspects:
Kasparov
Acewindu
Kantos
HHH

We should vote Kasp now IMO. Let's get thoughts down quickly and beat the deadline.

Not sure exactly why you think there is a mastermind or why, if there is, that we should risk a mislynch in an attempt to cut the head off the wolf pack.

In my opinion we just go for who we are most sure about.

I note that lawlz is now off your list entirely. What the hell?

My list:
Lawlz
Hhh
Kantos
Arun
Kasp

Keep those lists coming.

Edited 10/8/2014 06:25:41

Drunk Drunk Drunk!!!!!!!

Yeah not good. We will have trouble getting numbers together this round. TI are you here?

I note that lawlz is now off your list entirely. What the hell?

Maybe he realizes I'm not a wolf, or perhaps I'm not important to him

Edited 10/8/2014 11:00:12

Yes lawlz I gathered that. It is a list of who he thinks is a wolf. You are off the list because he doesn't think you are. I am asking what changed since he voted you yesterday? What specific thing did you say to make him think you are at least the 5th or 6th most likely now.

There is nothing more suspicious than an unexplained rapid change of heart. This needs explanation.

Villagers, where are you. Let's have these lists. If we all produce one, we force the wolves to make one. That will give us a lot of info, especially if they don't follow through on their convictions. Just names is fine for now.

It will also allow us to clearly state who we want to vote without actually voting. We will be able to coordinate the lynch.

Everybody talk! Wolves will end up talking too!
Everybody make lists! Wolves will make one!
Everyone admit to being a villager or special, so will the wolves!

This is what you sound like his balls…

I dont understand the logic behind what you're proposing, why not just encourage a good ol' fashioned lynch of your top suspect (I.E Me)?

And what's up with you, skunk? Why did you tell JSA I'm an angel? If I was, JSA wouldn't have died

Edit: oops, forgot he's drunk and can't talk

Edited 10/8/2014 14:25:27

The more information out there, the better for the Village. Wolves have to think doubly hard about who they put on their list, careful not to incriminate themselves but also not pushing for one of their own to be lynched.

My list, not in any great order:

1)Kasparov
2)Ace Widu
3)Kantos
4 & 5) Arun, Lawlz or HHH

Everybody talk! Wolves will end up talking too!
Everybody make lists! Wolves will make one!
Everyone admit to being a villager or special, so will the wolves!

Reasonable effort at paraphrasing. That is pretty much what i was saying yes. I'm surprised you don't understand why though. The logic is so incredibly simple. If all the villagers talk/make lists then anyone who doesn't is wolf right? Therefore the wolves, in order not to stand out, must make lists too. The wolves chat and lists will be ingenuine and hopefully from that we can pick out inconsistencies that will provide evidence for a solid lynch. Do you get this? Does anyone?

An additional benefit is we will be able to specifically state who we want without the risk of voting out of turn. From this we can accurately decide who everyone will vote for ahead of everyone voting so that we don't risk another split vote. Again let me know if this is still unclear and then I will copy paste these two paragraphs and make you read them again.

I dont understand the logic behind what you're proposing, why not just encourage a good ol' fashioned lynch of your top suspect (I.E Me)?

Are you suggesting that everyone just votes individually for their top suspect? I have explained literally a thousand times why that is a very bad idea for the village. A great idea for the wolves of course.

LYNCH ALL LURKERS
NO SPLIT VOTES
POST YOUR LISTS

Edited 10/8/2014 14:56:45

Did you role claim to skunk, lawlz?

Anyone get the feeling we don't have an angel at all? Did both angels get drunk?

Edited 10/8/2014 16:04:10

Coaleyes is a dead angel