"He has claimed angel. Therefore we cannot vote him yet."-Arun

Skunk and JSA said I was an angel, and they were/are confirmed villagers. Do you agree on not voting me?

I don't vote because YOU tell me to, I vote for who I believe to be a viable option, like the rest of the village should.

YOU HOWEVER are trying to shove your motives and victims down other villagers' throats, and are now threatening a lynch if they disagree with you

I have already explained myself. That's more than you had against me, Wolf.

I am putting a case forward and nobody is disputing it convincingly. You denied being an angel; risk is nearly 0 for you.

You are acting outside the village's interests and now you are refusing to reconsider. That's wolf behaviour.

Edited 10/12/2014 13:48:27

Are you the village interests? Because if thats the case, then I sure as hell don't agree with you, and if I ever do, it'll be by coincidence. His balls doesnt even agree with you.

It's not about people! It's about the reasoning. I don't care what you think of me. I'm trying to lead the village to the correct lynch.

There is a (albeit small) chance of HHH being the angel. There is a next to no chance of Kasparov and all other suspects being the angel. As the village want to keep our angel, we should not take any risks! Find flaw in that reasoning, please.

Arun. Let's see the case for Kasparov.

Okay i have pressed the refresh button myself. About hhh. He hasn't been drunk so he is claiming to have been an angel since day one. Since there is no counter claim yet we have to assume no one else alive is an angel (I will hold judgement on this till everyone has considered hhh's claim). There were two angels at the start and only one has died. There are only two possibilities for what happened to our second angel.

Either hhh is telling the truth and has been an angel since day one not managing to save a single soul.

Or

Ace windu was the other angel and got drunk becoming a wolf. He then passed this info on to the wolves and suggested that hhh role claim in his place.

I dont really picture option two given the state of activity of both players.

Obviously this makes some assumptions due to lack of participation and also relies on the fact that all the villagers are doing all they can in the interest of the village rather than self interest (something i am becoming increasingly dubious about - in the first game someone played for their own personal victory condition).

Therefore I actually have to believe hhh. However sad this makes me.

Please point out any mistakes I may have made.



Skunk, what's all this about Lawlz being an angel?

Edited 10/12/2014 15:48:03

Thank you his balls. So we are decided that we cannot lynch HHH. I believe we should get Kasp next but I'll take a look at the thread before commenting further.

Lets all calm down. We want to lynch the wolf we can agree on that.

Lurking behaviour alone is not a tell of being a Wolf. At this point in the game we have alot of evidence we can trawl through to find actual wolves. Comments from previous wolves, for example. It's effort but it's doable.

HHH's inactivity is not a sign that he is a wolf, and considering this is our last chance to not be outnumbered by wolves, we need to be VERY SURE.

I would say to HHH, tell us who you protected each night. Very simple task, just 4 or 5 names? If you can't do that then we might aswell lynch you.

I agree with Clav, if he doesn't tell us who he protected and why, we should lynch him. If he does tell us then I'd need a very good reason to vote for him. The fact that he seems to be playing for himself means even if his claim is false he could easily be a villager.

I'm looking at kasp currently. Here is a summary of his contributions.

Bandwagon on mmb. Then says 'let's try to be more careful next time.'
'I want to do better this time' - you arent trying very hard.
I pointed out he was on the bandwagon and doing nothing.
Voted clavicus
'We're not off to a great start' I see this as a wolf tell.
Please seer timi or apollo (we know Apollo was a wolf)
Double lynch would b really bad
Dont think Eliza is a wolf but I'll vote her anyway
No double lynch
Goes mia and the 'hey I'm chatting a lot via skype' pointless
We Dont have a seer lol
Bandwagon on Apollo
Regrets voting Apollo, tries to get others to change
I should have voted gnuff
Let's do better!!!
'Wow intense night'. Everything here is empty.
Suspects clavicus and Lawlz with no reasoning
Should crack down on lurkers
Rushes to vote ghengis
Hi im Not inactive I've posted once or twice a round. Returns to the shadows.
I like added flair from drunks - so you are here and that's your contribution?
Vote lawlz - no explanation
Makes joke about voting dom
Apparently voted Lawlz because he trusts stupid
Picks out Kantos from aruns suspect list
Reminds us that he voted Apollo one of the first - wee know he regretted that and now he's using it as a defence?

And that's it. My vote would be happy here.

Amazing that his entire contribution can be summarised so easily. And I can't find a single case made. What a load of fluff.

To summarise my summary
All fluff
All bandwagons
Hi I voted the jugawolf I must be village - omits the part where he regretted voting jugawolf
Distancing himself from own votes - same with mmb
A lot of 'oh no that wasn't a good night' and 'let's do better' classic wolf.

Edited 10/12/2014 17:51:27

Ace, I have explained that there is only two option regaeding hhh's claim. If it is false then you must both be wolves. Dont go saying stuff like 'if his claim is false'.

At the moment I'm still thinking you are both village. Hhh is angel.

Hhh save someone please.

Edited 10/12/2014 17:50:28

Cant talk till day. Still drunk.

Thanks for doing that his balls I'd just motivated myself to take a look. Looking at that I'm even more convinced the correct move is to go for Kasparov. HHH proof can wait although I would like it ASAP (tbh if he is an angel he may well be killed tonight). I still have 3 tier 1 suspects! We don't need to act so desperately in terms of targeting one specific player (again, I apologise for my earlier vendetta against his balls).

Wow, a ton of suspicion on me all of a sudden.

Fine, then. I'm wolf. Vote for me!

Kasp. Either fight because you are villager and Dont want us to make a myslynch or fight because you are a wolf and Dont want to be caught.

Kind of sick of all this indifference. Why are we even here?

Dont do a Kantos.

Edited 10/12/2014 19:18:30

The wolves confidence was growing, and as the village numbers depleted, they knew they were closing in on victory; the villagers would soon all be dead, they reckoned.

And so, as they'd done many times before, the wolves snuck out in the dead of night, and hunted down their target, and they found him licking an empty ice-cream tub in his bathroom. Such weird behaviour could not be tolerated, they thought, and they devoured him quickly, enjoying the distinctly strawberry taste of the man who had just finished his second tub of strawberry ice-cream of the day.

Clavicus Vile is DEAD. He was a villager.

Elsewhere in the village, several men grew angry at the man who ran the off-license; he had run out of alcohol! There will be no more drunks this game.

People at risk of dying through inactivity today:
*Ace Windu
*Heyheuhei
*Tactical Incursion
***Kasparov
***Lawlz

* Through missing 3 votes total.
*** Through missing 2 votes in a row.

Right so considering we have two elders and a probable angel that is a very very odd choice by the wolves. We have to think why they would do this? They took a while to make this decision too.

You would think that if hhh is not a wolf then they would kill him knowing he's an angel. The fact they didn't kill him surely means he's a wolf. However, we do know that the wolves like their tricky kills.

What do you think?

Edited 10/12/2014 19:50:15

Doesn't mean anything. Clavicus was a target the wasted to get rid of - intelligent villager. HHH also said he would protect himself. We should look at who Clav suspected; if that's drastically different from our suspicions we may need to rethink.

For now, the target is Kasparov though. Defend yourself!

suspect Kasparov above all, just from his general manner. Ace I do suspect but i'd prefer to look more in detail at his actions before pushing for that.

–Clavicus

He also didn't think HHH was a wolf; or at least, he didn't think the proof was too concrete. Therefore the wolves want us to suspect HHH and may be trying to save Kasp/Ace. Since Clav also protected Lawlz, they probably want Lawlz dead.

Off this logic alone:
Wolves: Kasp, Ace Windu
Villagers: Lawlz, HHH

I'm leaning hard towards Kasparov. Looking at lynching Ace Windu next turn.

What do I think?!?!?!!

I think I just wasted about 35 minutes digging back through old chats to build my case against Clavicus and now that's blown all to pieces, so yeah... I think I'm just a little ticked right now...

his balls, There is a scenario where HHH could be the angel
If HHH is the angel, and If the wolves believed that he would angel protect himself as he said he would, wouldn't they consider him too high of a risk?

right now my top suspects are:
1. Arun
2. Kasp
3. Lawlz
4. ????? maybe his balls maybe ace

Our confirmed villagers can all talk now, right? Please contribute, guys. We need to hear your thoughts.