Also noteworthy is that we're living on borrowed time right now.

If there are indeed 5 wolves, unless the list on page 1 is missing someone

Ace Windu
Dr. Stupid
G. Arun
Heyheuhei
his balls.
Kasparov
Lawlz
skunk940
Tactical Incursion

then we are at a numerically disadvantage. We only have a chance if our elder silences a wolf to negate a vote, and tie the lynch. And then wolves night kill the Elder and it's over, unless HHH is honest and he's an Angel, and saves the Elder for the rest of the game . This is the only way I think we can theoretically force a win right now, again assuming five wolves.


Best play from both sides:

If we're at four, and we mislynch:

4v4 {correction, it would be 5v4} , night kill: Next day, Elder silences, get saved by Angel, we tie the game. OR, Wolves kill Angel, and then kill the Elder. And then I think it's over?

If we're at four, and correctly lynch:

4v4, night kills Angel, 4v3: Elder silences Wolf, ties the vote and game ends in a draw.

I think.





Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Edited 10/13/2014 16:56:03

Correction: if we mislynch it will be 5v3 after night kill. Then it's a forced loss.

5 wolves and technically the village can still get the lynch if both elders are used wisely. Unfortunately they seem to be two of the more inactive participants. Very frustrating.

Who can we get some consensus on?

Hhh for a seriously dubious angel claim and complete blackout of inactivity. Or ace as he must be wolf if hhh is.

Lawlz for his early form.

Arun for his inconsistent form.

Silence me? Somebody actually taking an active part? Somebody who is willing to vote with the village?! This is a deliberate and overt attempt to sabotage the village by His Balls. Do not silence people who are discussing! Silence Ace Windu and another silent person we are unsure about.

His Balls has jumped to the top of my list. Explain yourself.

Wtf is kasp's list of confirmed villagers? Dr. stupid certainly isn't and don't get me started on the fluff posting His Balls!

Arun. Quote the bit where I said silence you. You are confusing me again.

And stop regurgetating everything I say. Show me some fluff I produced and I will show you your wisps of air.

Alive Tim's post. Why the hell would you push for any active player to be silenced? You are acting very wolfy. I would be happy to silence Ace and lynch His Balls. Lynching Ace would be ok too. Not HHH! If there is risk we don't push! That's not hard to understand.

Im posted a page long post about your fluff. Read back. You have contributed NOTHING of value.

Edited 10/13/2014 18:19:09

Re read and then read again. And then find the bit where I am pushing for an active player to be silenced. Then please read it again.

On that point (that I have provided nothing) I am certain no sane villager or wolf would agree.

Actually Arun. I want you too explain what the risk of lynching hhh is? Consider that there are likely 4 wolves. In this case if we are wrong its no worse than lynching a villager. If we are wrong, we lose.

Or ace as he must be wolf if hhh is.

Could we review the logic on that hypothesis? I'm slightly out of the loop here, and I've forgotten how that idea came about. Did Ace defend HHH earlier?

If HHH is wolf, then Ace must be wolf too? I'm not disagreeing, but I'm a bit confused.

I'm assuming the inverse would not [necessarily] be true: that if HHH is not a wolf, then Ace is not a wolf?

Edited 10/13/2014 18:57:13

So kasp. I'm sure Arun will call this fluff but here is my thinking.

If we had two angels at the start, one is missing. Only one has died. Since no one has counter claimed at this critical moment we have to assume that noone else here is an angel. There are only two possibilities for the second angel then, either hhh is telling the truth and was the angel from the start or ace started as an angel and then became a wolf when drunk allowing hhh to make the false claim in the knowledge no one could counter claim him.

I have just noticed that on p16 when hhh said he was too lazy to defend himself he said he was a villager. Considering he appears to be playing for himself, why didn't he just claim angel then? The story doesn't add up.

I do have a slight problem with this possibility. We have only killed two wolves and one jugawolf. Ska became a wolf too. So for us yo have only 4 wolves now and ace became a wolf therebwoukd have had to have been only 4 wolves at the start. Dom listing 8 possible makes this seem unlikely.

With Clav dead I'd almost be lead to think HHH was telling the truth. Unless, it was a trick, killing Clav, trying to get someone to think HHH was actually an angel, or that there was an angel left. I'm not so sure we should lynch HHH, just yet, but perhaps vote Lawlz.

Lawlz is a safe bet. Maybe now is the time to cash it in.

Why Lawlz and not Ace Windu. His Balls is correct in that lurkers are more dangerous. I want the lynch Ace, since nobody will look at the possibility of His Balls being a wolf.

His balls don't give me bs about rereading; explain. You suggested I be silenced; why?


The risk of HHH is immens! There is a possibility he is an angel. Therefore we do not vote him. Simple as; it doesn't need discussing. We vote another suspect. Please go for Ace or His Balls guys.

Arun. You are not reading at all. I asked you to re read because I have not suggested you be silenced. That is the last thing I want.

What is the difference between losing an angel or a villager when we are at lynch or lose? If we mislynch tonight its game over. Address these points as directly as you can

Edited 10/13/2014 20:19:10