hedja - you would have been disappointed - it was modified medium earth.. and 0% luck straight round on 1v1 so not really the announced template.. for me on the other hand it was very nice since i prefer modified to standard ME.

mythonian - not that i'm looking for errors all the time, but i spotted another small one - there waere actually 99 viewers at one point for sure :) maybe there was more but that was the biggest number i have cought this weekend.. so yeah.. Fizzer's announcements make a big difference, and i disagree on what sze said about noobs getting far in this tournament as a problem. In my opinion it would be a very good idea to make the tournament lobby first, invite the interested players, (so that "advanced" or "regular" participants have a guaranteed spot) and after 15 minutes or so, announcing it by Fizz to a wider public.. This way we will be able to make this series more interesting i guess, and will get a lot more people involved, so that the general understanding of basic gameplay, and strategy in the community will be better which i think is what this series was all about in the beginning. BTW Actually NOT inviting new people almost let this event die.. (with a couple other reasons combines of course)

Agree, more noobs & anaylsis of noob games.

Nosy - not really. Of course more noobs will play, and it might be a bit of a burden to better players who will feel like their "wasting time", but i doubt noob games would get analyzed. And more people playing is a good thing because THOSE players will know this happens, will watch the stream (because it's fun if you play the tournament and might be boring when not directly involved) and in consequence people will learn to play better , and this is exactly what lolo intended - at least it's my impression of his idea.. By the way - i can say from my experience, that being involved in this tournaments has allowed me to improve my games a lot faster than without it.. and i wouldnt watch the stream if were not playing in the series..

Would you watch it if there was zero chance of your games being covered? Every week it's the same players, and multiple times in the same tournament, as they cover both semis and the final. They should do one noob game a week, in the first round.

There are more people watching the start of the stream, and most of those extra players are probably noobs, so they could use the intermediate strategy analysis first. Also, it could be funny if they are really bad.

yeah - but then we would need somebody other than sze for those analysis, because he will only curse and laugh at people.. I understand his reastion, as obviously you do as well, but it's neither productive, nor encouraging for those people..

+ infinity to nosy.

Yeah just don't use sze.

Ironheart - i almost never see you play these events, maybe you just join the ones that i happen not to, but if you don't then why would you even mind? what i am saying is based on my personal experience, not my whim.
When i started joining these tournaments, i was a clanless, almost anonymous noob. I was not expecting my games to be covered. I was very surprised to reach #2 in sixth streamed live tournament (it was 2v2 and i think i was playing with hedja and it was my first livestreamed tournament ever) and the feedback i got from commentators was very motivating in spite of the fact they laughed hard at my noob moves week after week.. There was even a saying that somebody played a "classic fridge" which meant he had good start, and/or dominating position, but made a move that stupid, that it practically lost a won game.. But it had a great positive impact on my will to improve.
That little motivating influence these tourneys had on me is why i believe random people should be able to join it, and for this to happen, adverts by Fizz are a great thing. I do however believe he should send the adverts to slightly prerequisited group. maybe 100 games played with more > 30% winrate in the type of game that is covered by the tournament? I'm sure he would be able to do it, only question is - how much work would that require...
As for not using sze - despite his arrogance and lazyness he explains the map layouts and templates very well. Sometimes spot on, sometimes fixed only on his strategy idea and not all other possible approaches, but hey - is there even one person who could list all options? For sure there isn't. He is a very valuable commentator, no doubt. I only said he became a tad to harsh on beginners, so we could use some more lenient commentator for "less advanced" players' games.

Szew is very stubborn, I wouldn't expect him to cover those games. But I will from now on, whenever I am commentating.

Malammoth, the 2vs2 would've been good though, I haven't played a 2vs2 live tourny with you or Reza for a long time now.

Malammoth, my problem with noobs going so far into the tournament was not because they went far into the tournament, but because many regulars performed miserably and overall level of the games was low in 1vs1 tournament. In general new people going far in the tournament is a good thing attracting new participantw and viewers, but not at the cost of quality. I certainly do not have a problem with new people joining. And I don't quite understand what do you mean by being harsh on beginners... the opposite being what exactly? Not pointing out mistakes and treating every play as equally good? In any case if we get a regular commentator I will be more than happy to pass the commentator role to someone else, I recently clocked in on ~80 hours of commentary overall, which is 2 weeks of full-time job...

Szew - ok. then i misunderstood you. i agree, the "regulars" performed very poor in the last one. :) As for harsh - yeah.. it was probably a wrong word to describe what i meant.. All i meant was that sometimes you just laugh and say that something was played "fu#@#$% bad" without explaining what exactly was wrong. Of course me and you, and probably even most of the average players will know what have been done bad in an instant, but obviously people who have done those mistakes could not. (I know you often do explain even the most basic mistakes, but i do feel you sometimes don't where i think you should) I do appreciate your hard work, and that you put so much time and effort into this. Like i said - you are a very valuable commentator. if not the most..

Malamouth i have never played a live tourney since i don't have time or am not online when they happen.

in that case sorry Ironheart, but you have no idea about those.. as i said - in my opinion it's more of a learning opportunity for the community than a competitive arena.. (applicable to lolowut's* livestreamed tournaments of course, not all live tourneys)

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* or should i say mythonian's livestreamed tournaments in recent situation..?

I felt sorry for Timinator and Mala. They were glued to theirccomputers for a long time waiting for the bad players to kill each other before they could move on to their next game. In Mala's case, he didn't really have a good opponent until the finals. So he had to wait around for hours to get a good game.

This will discourage good players from joining. They might find their time better spent doing something else. Or they might not have the time to wait around watching bad players kill each other off and not join. If I arranged a tournament with 56 AIs and 8 good players, would that be better than one with 8 good players?

Easy solution if Fizzer wants to get bad players hooked on his 1v1 ME and help them improve: make maximum winning % prereqs so 2 live tournaments could happen: max 49% (1v1 ME with training wheels) and min 50% (for winners).

Qi - you might be right, but only partially - there were players like gnuffone, hhh, luxis, falker etc but somehow they all have lost their games.. this last 1v1 LST was weird.. And once again - i think it's a great way to teach people on their own mistakes, and if the noobs are (with some amount of luck) able to win games again better players, then i have nothing against.. it's not like they were all just cannon fodders looking at who was defeated by them... But as i said - i partially agree with you, that's why i suggested fizzer should invite players over some threshold of stats.. now that i think of it, prereqs which i wrote initially could be a bit to low, but not much i guess to encourage people to play.. and an additional not prerequisited invite for the stream alone would be great..

Agree with Qi point here.
Livestreamed Tournament 1v1 #27, the first one enlarged I think - I had my first real game was in 4th round (1st one bye, two later ones boots). That wasn't entertaining at all.

there were players like gnuffone, hhh, luxis, falker etc but somehow they all have lost their games

I think good players don't focus that much in games against random players they never heard about.
And I think it's quite discouraging if you see you will have 1st notable opponent in round 4th or so.

I think you guys need to decide, amongst yourselves, what you want, before you go ahead and make these tournaments.

If you want the n00bs, like myself, to join, then that's fine - I'm happy to come along and join - it's a good learning curve, and I enjoyed the experience. However, the (general) reaction, both throughout the tournament, and then in this thread, kinda puts me off joining another..

Their seems to be an "elitism" problem within the community here, where only the very best are welcome in the tournament. To a degree, I understand that attitude - the best games are when you play against people your own standard, regardless of your ability, but if that's the case, if you think n00bs waste your time, then fine, but don't invite them, and don't advertise it - make it an invite only event. Don't make it 128 people, encouraging anybody & everybody to join, and then moan when they do play, and beat the better players..

they dont care about certain people, just get annoyed when people 1. are noobs that boot right at the direct boot timer, and 2. when all the games are boring