https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tkGEFhHM5I

I'm speechless. Never have I seen such things said in the manner of that video. I agree with it 100%. Nothing in it is wrong. That was an amazing find.

To those posting entire essays, please shorten them as it takes a really long time for everyone to scroll past.

imagine posting an essay about hating the government in a shitpost thread
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

just because cali has the best music, doesn't make them emotional!

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As for your situation, are you talking about the extreme red people, or regular red people?

Regular Trump country dudes and church ladies. Mostly the late teens/early twenties dudes, though, that get a bit fighty if you inadvertently challenge their views. You can't tell me you haven't met these people.

Either way, if you're gonna pull the "they're just extremists" card then so am I: woke anti-capitalists are not common where I live. I have never met anyone who would take offense to "project."

CA isn't woke. Californians voted against affirmative action in 1996 (Prop 209) and 2020 (Prop 16). We voted to ban local rent control in 2018 (Prop 10) and again in 2020 (Prop 21). Unlike Missouri, Texas, Georgia, and a total of 42 states, we have a state ban on race-based college admissions (https://ballotpedia.org/State_data_on_colleges_considering_race_in_admissions).

CA has 11 million immigrants (1/4 of US pop). 53% of immigration to California since 2010 has been from Asia. Are first-generation Asian immigrants known for their wokeness?

The Democrats are a broad coalition; even their progressive Bernie-loving wing is ideologically diverse. In my experience, the woke anti-capitalists tend to be either kids whose perception of society comes form social media and parroting others' talking points without understanding them (basically the blue versions of you, which might explain why your friend is like this) or people who screwed up college/employment and wound up with massive debt and/or academic careers in the humanities. Basically, anti-capitalists (not social liberals or social democrats but actual anti-capitalists) tend to be people who have either not yet experienced capitalism or have not succeeded within capitalism and therefore blame capitalism in general since it's the status quo.

Here's what household income looks like in coastal California (courtesy of the Lutherans):




Wow, we must be full of anti-capitalists! Gee, all these counties with median incomes in the six figures must love tearing down capitalism.

Yeah, I don't buy that this state is woke and leftist. Maybe in the Berkeley area, but you might as well point to the rural parts of the state and say we've got a concentration of aggressive anti-maskers.

We're not anti-maskers
We are pro-individual rights

A lot of us don't think government should be forcing business to do so
I personally think it should be up to the business, you know what you're getting when you walk into one

Why not force people in Chicago or Detroit to wear bullet-proof vests?
Are you anti-vest? No!

We know doctors wear masks for hygiene reasons. But we also don't think masks are even effective against the spread
Many of us see it as a way the government is trying to find out how much they can reach out and control
We have already seen the CDC overstepping making rentees not have to pay renters

We have seen Biden also mandating vaccines for large corporations or healthcare
The issue isn't if it's good or bad, it's why do we let them overstep

You guys are distracted from the real issue here. African Americans.

Cacao, why do you live in San Francisco? I do not see why you would choose that place in your position (not just your political views, the totality of your situation and preferences). It seems you're paying out the nose to live a less satisfying life surrounded by people and institutions that can't even pretend to adequately represent your interests...

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Unironically flee San Francisco and get in another state. Escape while you can. My advice to those living in San Francisco and Los Angeles

I love the city
And it is more financially beneficial to me living here

The issue is what always happens with anything that becomes a trend
Too many people joining something and changing the culture from what it was before

The Hippies did it, and now the Techies are doing it

Escape

This is what's missing in modern society. We lack a frontier to escape to, a tempting gamble with the promise of outsize rewards and utopia.

Sufficiently scalable space colonization is going to be out of reach for centuries, so climate engineering (e.g., technology that lets us make more of Canada, Russia, Antarctica, Australia, etc. habitable) and technology that undermines state powers (i.e., to make those newly habitable territories hard for existing states to control and impose their laws on) can really offer a lot this century.

Alternatively, we should invest in neutron bomb (nukes with less radiation) technology and wipe out a low-GDP economic region every 5-10 years to establish new frontiers in, with minimal governmental structure but (weak) UNSC-backed first-generation human rights guarantees. Could start with Haiti/Dominica, Afghanistan, or Burundi.

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uh we are climate engineering more of Canada, Russia, Antarctica, and Greenland as we speak. Icecaps are melting. Think before you speak stinky.

btw like the bombing of low GDP economic regions idea. super capitalism and will be like sports of the future.

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Canada, Russia, and Antarctica will have more arable land but that process will be slow enough that it won't open a big frontier at once and will easily be manageable/controllable by existing state powers. We need something faster.

@Cacao re:techies

Techies aren't woke, though. Look at their participation rates for protests and unions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_worker_organization#Unions - 225 out of 160k).

Silicon Valley workers and "elites" aren't in the driver's seat. If they were, we'd have radically different policies better aligned with globalized neoliberalism. Instead, techies flock blue to pick the lesser evil more aligned with their interests. The upper and upper middle classes haven't been in control of US politics for a long, long time. Instead, they've sometimes been making alliances with the more social politics of the lower classes (e.g., business conservatives working with evangelical voters) and more often just picking the weaker poison among the chaotic identitarian politics offered by the poors.

Cost of living in California is insane. In order for us to be unaffected financially, we'd have to make $80k more in Sacramento, $267k more in San Francisco, $147k more in Los Angeles, and $136k more in San Diego. You cannot possibly tell me this is reasonable. Utilities are 10% to 37% more than St. Louis. Housing also costs 98% to 408% more than St. Louis. As for the major cities of Texas, we'd have to make $10k to $51k more than we do now. Utilities are 9% less to 13% more, and housing is 15% to 67% more than St. Louis.

Creating a neutron bomb would encourage nations to wage war. Changing the climate to make Antarctica, Siberia, and Canada more livable would submerge every coastal city in the world. Destroying an area to create new space for our people to settle and civilize is an idea brought forth by the Soviets and Nazis in the past. Wielding power over nations to take land for ourselves is perhaps the easiest way to start a world war against us. Where did all this come from? That post I just read did not seem like it came from the same person.

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Where are you getting those cost-of-living numbers? For you to need to make $267k more pre-tax to live in SF to get the same savings rate (quality-of-life-adjusted), you must have some serious spending in Missouri. But if you're concerned about college costs, I doubt you're making that much.

Either way, with your set of concerns, I would recommend against moving to SF or the Bay Area. I don't think every place needs to work for everyone. Don't live here if it doesn't make financial sense for you.

Creating a neutron bomb would encourage nations to wage war.

A great power war would remain unthinkable in a unipolar world, and the logic of MAD would still apply for great power wars. Improvements in offensive military capability unmatched by defensive advancements reduces the risk of war if you buy the logic of MAD.

Changing the climate to make Antarctica, Siberia, and Canada more livable would submerge every coastal city in the world.

We could adjust local climate without having to change the global climate. Moreover, earthworks projects can prevent submerging cities.

Destroying an area to create new space for our people to settle and civilize is an idea brought forth by the Soviets and Nazis in the past.

And by Mirabeau B. Lamar, and plenty of American leaders. Heck, the Nazis got the Lebensraum idea from the success of manifest destiny.

Wielding power over nations to take land for ourselves is perhaps the easiest way to start a world war against us.

No, this would not be done by the US. The entire idea of Project Nuke Haiti is to create a frontier for humanity, not America specifically.

Where did all this come from? That post I just read did not seem like it came from the same person.

When did I say human life is inherently valuable? I didn't say liberal democracy is philosophically correct; I just said it works.

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Creating a neutron bomb would encourage nations to wage war. Changing the climate to make Antarctica, Siberia, and Canada more livable would submerge every coastal city in the world. Destroying an area to create new space for our people to settle and civilize is an idea brought forth by the Soviets and Nazis in the past. Wielding power over nations to take land for ourselves is perhaps the easiest way to start a world war against us. Where did all this come from? That post I just read did not seem like it came from the same person.

First of all dumbass, the Nazis and Soviets are based. Second of all we want Florida and Britain to sink back into the ocean because they are disgusting. If a few others have to go with them it is worth it. War is needed for society to work. What else are you going to do dig up a giant hole and fill it in again?

btw copying manifest destiny doesn't make sense because it needs a certain set of factors to be successful. don't forget most of the land settled sucks and just a little is good.