Yeah, the problem with a D is who do you put in there (since it requires an additional promotion to get to B)? I could easily put the two last place teams from C this season there. But it would not be fair to put some new clans in D when others start in C ahead of them.

Anyway, no way to really tell until I know for sure who is participating. I will check in with those leaders I have not heard from.

If you do D, precedent must be followed, Chris. New clans enter lowest division. That is the issue with creating Div. D, which is why I'd suggest having two Cs.

Yes like the promotion/relegation league. Have group C1 and C2. One clan would be promoted from both each season, though that does limit the chance of promotion for each group. However this is much better than having group D.

If we want 2 C's it's like we need a few extra clans on board.

Here's my selfish point of view:
Suppose there is 2 pools: C1 and C2. C1 has XS, Turtles, Swirve, Incognito, and Ohms while C2 has Sninja, [BR] FUDEW, XCD, and REGL? (Other relegated B clan I think was REGL).

Anyways in C1 XS takes first with 160 points. Turtles 2nd with 143 and the others follow behind. And let group C2 have REGL take first with 139 points and [BR] FUDEW take 2nd with 136 points. XS and REGL would get promoted even though Turtles out scored the best clan in the other division.

This is all hypothetical, I'm not a part of the council, I wont argue it, I just think it could shaft a clan or two. Maybe you could allow for a wild card clan?

Turtle in the case that you just described, this would be a matter of playing a weaker or less balanced C division than the other C division. Hypothetically if your clan placed second in C1 and did score that many points while the other division's winner scored less, this just shows that the competition was more fierce in the other division. The case could be that either A) division C1 ended up with the 2 best teams and some of the least competitive teams, while C2 was just more balanced. Or B) C2 ended up with all the good teams, less the 2 good teams in C1, creating tougher competition in C2. There are many possibilities, yet it is foreseeable that with two C divisions your clan could score the 2nd highest, yet still be the 5th best team relatively between the two divisions (or you could be the 2nd best team, difficult to say).

Instead I'd suggest/come up with a way to balance the teams in both divisions. Somehow rank the teams (have division B teams vote or something to that effect) and then take the 1st team and throw them in division C1, throw 2nd and 3rd in C2, 4th and 5th into C1, etc. etc. That system would still have its flaws and it wouldn't be 100% accurate (who is the best clan is a rather subjective question), but it would still try to balance out the C divisions.

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I think that's a good idea mablung but I would assume that they would try to split the clans evenly anyways. I think Lynx and Blitz could help divide the clans in this group since we both just finished facing most of them. Just a thought.

we don't need more than three groups for the time being.

keep it simple.

The rate at which swirve and ohms got booted last season, I'd be surprised to see them back, unless they've managed to get more active players.

If you do end up needing to go for C1/C2 though because they or others sign up, I'd suggest going for a "finals" series where C1-1 plays C2-2 and C2-1 plays C1-2 to find out who goes through. (possibly the final for top C team as well)

i don't think Ohms and Swirve are active enough to participate in the end so you might be able to put them out of there already

@Jefferspin, you have a fair point about having Lynx and Blitz assess group C, but there could be some bias in there though.

@Cheery Dog, that would be rather time consuming, but sounds like it might not even be an issue anyway unless more teams join.

Edited 10/5/2014 11:21:59

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Greece (New!)
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This is the template list I have. Could Chris or another admin confirm that?

I think Chris is getting a little ahead of himself. I'm pretty sure the members of the "council" or whatever has issues with how these templates were voted in/nominated, so there is a very good chance we will redo this step.

The templates probably won't change much anyway, but I'm mentioning this because Chris is not representing our discussions to the community.

If you add LEA to group C, there would be 10 teams in it. Assuming all 10 teams participate, it would be better to have a group C and D rather than 10 team round robins. Or 2 Cs.

Edited 10/5/2014 23:19:19

I think Chris is getting a little ahead of himself. I'm pretty sure the members of the "council" or whatever has issues with how these templates were voted in/nominated, so there is a very good chance we will redo this step.

The templates probably won't change much anyway, but I'm mentioning this because Chris is not representing our discussions to the community.

They were voted in by the clans in group A just like last season.

Yes the clans in group A get to vote but it was also said that clans that won their division also got to vote. IE: [20], {The Clan of Warlighters}, Lynx, and Blitz...... Of the previous clans didn't vote then you gotta re do it. I also thought there was something about VIW getting a say because of their long term commitment.

Can someone link the spreadsheet for this?

No, those templates are set for this season. The discussion the council is having about more people voting was meant for next season. So no, the templates this season will not differ from what i already posted

Template links?

I need to check them all first arun. Some provided were RT, so just want to make sure they are all multi day, correct boot time, respecting vacations, auto start once all players have joined, etc before posting.

No worries thanks for the effort.