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Global Chat Raffle Analysis: 2021-10-14 06:04:12


krinid 
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In a poetic twist, nonolet's biggest victims are the two active moderators on Global Chat.

Too funny.

Global Chat Raffle Analysis: 2021-10-14 06:33:21


John Smith
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11/10
Global Chat Raffle Analysis: 2021-10-14 07:43:03


Diety Emperor Cacao, God Ruler of the Universe 
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I think this only helps to support that the coins should be equally distributed instead to who ever happens to be online at the time.
Global Chat Raffle Analysis: 2021-10-14 08:32:51


krinid 
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1) Dividing equally among all who are present would just mean more people would put more alts in, b/c that's even more _guaranteed_ coins for them.

2) How you equally divide 2-8 coins among 5-20 players?

3) What about the WZI powers/artifacts?
Global Chat Raffle Analysis: 2021-10-14 08:33:38


Shin
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Update: uno and nono got warned, and changed their name
Global Chat Raffle Analysis: 2021-10-14 08:34:37


krinid 
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Well l4v already "rectified" the situation so maybe a warning is sufficient?

(Not all being sarcastic, I promise).
Global Chat Raffle Analysis: 2021-10-14 08:42:47


Diety Emperor Cacao, God Ruler of the Universe 
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@krinid
using alts would be against the rules just like it is to participate in the raffle
Global Chat Raffle Analysis: 2021-10-14 08:43:58


krinid 
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@Cacao
Oh you meant based on the initial discussion ... to just divide the coins evenly, not based on the nono/uno stuff.

Ok, Q1 cleared.

2) How you equally divide 2-8 coins among 5-20 players?

3) What about the WZI powers/artifacts?
Global Chat Raffle Analysis: 2021-10-14 08:49:57


Diety Emperor Cacao, God Ruler of the Universe 
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@krinid

2. Don't create a raffle until there is at least one per participant

3. Artifacts should be given at random, only coins should be close to equal
Global Chat Raffle Analysis: 2021-10-14 15:09:25


l4v.r0v 
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A 5% chance of winning $100 and a 100% chance of winning $5 have drastically different impacts on human behavior even though they have the same expected value.
Global Chat Raffle Analysis: 2021-10-15 16:47:14

Mathematician 
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WAITTT

WHAT ON EARTH IS RAFFLE?

DID I MISS OUT ON A PROFITABLE GAME MECHANISM FOR MONTHS?
Global Chat Raffle Analysis: 2021-10-15 16:54:49


rick
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a decade
Global Chat Raffle Analysis: 2021-10-16 21:40:33


l4v.r0v 
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(disclaimer: this post is tongue-in-cheek and in response to krinid's and my realization yesterday that these raffle logs could also be used to find the real "raffle tyrants")
TL;DR: Every raffle entry is a crime against Global Chat. You can find out how you were personally victimized by going to https://bit.ly/raffle-tyrants, https://bit.ly/raffle-enmity, https://bit.ly/raffle-theft, and https://bit.ly/raffle-victims

Friends, I have a shameful confession to make: I too am a raffle thief! You see, between April 13, 2021, and September 25, 2021, I entered 48 raffles, earning 27 coins by winning 6 of them. Had I not engaged in such shameful and selfish behavior, those chances I cruelly stole from others would have stayed in the hands of my fellow entrants. In a world where I had not entered the raffles, others would have expected nearly 44 more coins! If I had not won any of those 6 criminal raffles and my winnings had simply been distributed to the other entrants, 27 coins would today be in the hands of others.

But it's not just me. We are all guilty of raffle fraud, a serious coinancial crime.

Every coin is a crime
Every time someone wins a raffle, others must necessarily lose. We join for free, and we take and take and take without consideration. Those 1486 coins krinid won could have gone toward nobler causes: funding Shin's gambling addiction, paying Z to stop waiting for RaffleBot at the cost of delaying his bedtime, even helping Parsifal afford the toilet paper he so urgently needs. Instead, krinid grabbed them for himself!

What would have happened if krinid had been so kind as to not win any raffles? We can model the expected values for how his winnings would have been fairly distributed to the other players who joined the raffles a player won. In the matrix below, the value in the box indicates how many additional expected coins the player in the row would have if the raffle coin winnings of the player in the column been evenly distributed to other entrants, with the "Impact" values representing total coins taken (by column) or lost (by row):


You can check the spreadsheet at https://bit.ly/raffle-tyrants to know exactly how much each other player took from you by having the audacity to win raffles.

No... not just that- every entry is a crime!
Suppose 5 players joined a 6-coin raffle. They would each have 1.2 expected coins won from that raffle... but then a sixth player sees the raffle. Lacking even the tiniest morsel of social courtesy, they join. The instant they do, those 5 other entrants each lost 0.2 expected coins! Unfortunately, Warzone Rules say nothing about this... but surely we can all agree this is a brazen, despicable, criminal act. We can also see what would have happened had each player demonstrated the general sense to simply stop entering raffles.

In the matrix below, the value in the box indicates how many additional expected coins the player in the row would have gained had the player named in the column not been cruel enough to join the raffle, with the "Impact" row summarizing the damage each raffler did to their enemies (aggregated by column):


You can find the full version at https://bit.ly/raffle-enmity to see how much others cost you (and how much you cost others).

Now, you might notice that these are largely symmetrical- the expected coins faxfox cost JK_3 are the same expected coins JK_3 cost faxfox- because each of them hurt the other by joining the same raffles! The only exception to this comes from single-entry raffles, where that single-entrant hurt the innocent players who signed up for raffles after theirs but did not get hurt by them back...

We all hurt one another by joining these raffles. There is no ethical coinsumption under raffitalism.

Who costs whom more?
If you look at our raffle tyranny matrix (the first image in this post), you'll notice that it's not symmetrical. By winning raffles, John Smith took 146 expected coins from awaythro... but awaythro only took back 125. How grotesquely unfair!

We can look at these differences to find raffle thieves, those who took more from others than they took from them, and raffle victims (the opposite of raffle thieves). In the matrix below, the boxes represent the net expected coins the player named in the column snatched from the player named in the row, with the impact row aggregating the total net crimes of the perpetrator and the impact column aggregating (by row) the total net losses of the victim:


We can now see the asymmetric side of that faxfox-JK_3 relationship. JK_3's wins cost faxfox nearly 12 more coins than faxfox's wins cost JK_3. How shameful! Give them back, JK! You can look at the full version and see how you fit in by going to https://bit.ly/raffle-theft.

Adding it all up...
So who are the greatest enemies, tyrants, and thieves?

Well, my friends, I have sad news: the answer has always been hidden in plain sight. The Raffle Gods are the Raffle Tyrants. There's some noise in the data because I only looked at what happened between the players who joined the raffles at least 36 times... but you can see it below:


Raffle Tyrants take coins away by winning raffles. Therefore, the greatest Tyrants are simply those that won the most coins. The impact of their tyranny is just what would happen if their winnings were evenly distributed to those that joined at the same time as them. The greatest Raffle Tyrant? None other than krinid, who won the most coins.

Similarly, the worst Raffle Enemies? They're just the players with the greatest expected coins won, because the impact of being someone's raffle enemy is just what would happen (on average) if you hadn't joined any raffles and instead had your expected winnings distributed evenly to everyone else:


The greatest Raffle Enemy of the Public? John Smith, who had nearly 1600 expected coins!

What about Raffle Thieves and Victims?


Remember a while back when we looked at who overperformed at the raffles?


This is the same idea:


Raffle Theft is just your actual winnings distributed to other players minus others' actual winnings distributed back to you based on your expected winnings. So the biggest Raffle Thieves? Simply the players who overachieved the most: Ocean0.1, Gunk, Splat, Hodop, and the like.

Who hurt you?
But that's not important. How are you personally victimized here? You can check at https://bit.ly/raffle-victims to find your:
- Raffle Nemesis: the raffle enemy whose raffle entries took the most expected coins from you
- Raffle Oppressor: the raffle tyrant whose raffle wins took the most expected coins from you
- Top Thief: the player whose wins took more expected coins from you than you did from them, by the widest margin
- Top Victim: the player who you took the most expected coins from, by winning, relative to how much they took from you

Here it is for the top 30 raffle participants:


And here's how often some players are others' nemeses, oppressors, top thieves, and top victims:


There you have it, folks!
No one's hands are clean. All of us have evaded justice so far, but no one can evade the righteous public shaming. Let the lynching begin. We must have mob justice! Get to it, then- start sending itemized receipts to those who have hurt you, coinancially.
Global Chat Raffle Analysis: 2021-10-28 10:27:11


JK_3 
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Thats an awesome addition lavrov!
Global Chat Raffle Analysis: 2021-10-29 17:58:30


krinid 
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Oh my, just read this now.

Going to hang my head in shame.
Global Chat Raffle Analysis: 2021-10-29 17:59:31


John Smith
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Lmao
Global Chat Raffle Analysis: 2021-11-01 22:46:39


linberson 
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Some people play warzone, some people phd warzone.
Global Chat Raffle Analysis: 2021-11-08 16:02:04

VeganTitsy
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I'd like to raise a point about the distribution of which entry wins. I'd like raise an argument against the belief of first or early entry gives better chance.

I think the first-second-etc entry wins distribution are biased by number of participants:
When there is only one entry, the first one wins 100%
when there are 2 the first one has 50% chance to win, and 50% for the second
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So the statistical error here is that we are not comparing same sized raffles to each other.

Frequent players has better chance to win for the first entry because they participate more often in smaller raffles. Casual players plays raffle more likely in bigger raffles.

I think my theory can be checked if we are seeing what is the percentage of the _last_ entry win, the second last, etc, and I predict similar distribution, so we should see there is better chance to win as last entry and frequent players will will more often with their last entry as well.
Global Chat Raffle Analysis: 2021-11-08 16:03:05


krinid 
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Pretty sure that was addressed in l4v's analysis, showing exactly what you just stated.
Global Chat Raffle Analysis: 2021-11-08 16:04:49


Master Hotarian 
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Pretty sure you just join raffles and each person that joins lowers the percentage of a win for the other. So join the raffle so the other person doesn't win;)
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