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With what resources/advancements do you think Triskelion (both normal and hardened) is decently playable? In my opinion I think both hardened China and HEH are more difficult than normal Triskelion, though HT is still harder than both.

The thing that eats my powers is getting to hex earth.

Yeah, I don't even try it without a decent skip level researched. (I burn the cards on Scandinavia to get to hard Europe faster)

@Olja
I'm with you on not crafting or using markets, but how do you get to the Greenland Snow merc camp without using any IMs? Presumably SAC+FC to start, get the army cache in Espirinto Santo and money caches at Suriname and Eastern Paraguay? Another FC ... then what? Just wait for armies to accumulate, slowly advance, buy mercs? Not sure how that gets you to Snow, doesn't seem like it's enough unless you leverage some TS or QS to help out. Using only 1 IM is good but don't quite follow how you achieve that. The benefit of using the 4 IM method is simply speed. By doing this, you can finish Hex is about 30 mins (~10-15 if you really rush) if you already have enough investment in +Army caches that you can skip the hospital upgrades.

Funny how Hex is played differently. I never crafted anything nor used markets on it and still was able to beat it in less than 1 day with 1 IM. Army cache artifact is very useful here. And you only need to upgrade the 3 large hospitals, the other ones are not helpful.

@graemes

The route looks like this:
Money cache in Suriname
Army cache in Espirinto Santo
Inspire Mercs in El Caura
Inspire Mercs in Central Newfoundland
Inspire Mercs in Snow (Greenland)
Get three hospitals and upgrade to L2
- Snow (Greenland)
- Xinjiang
- Mortka (Central Urals)

I'm with you in general here, but the order confuses me. Going to Suriname is easy enough, wait to get about 75k armies (5-15 mins depending on artis & Adv's), then take army cache @ Paraupebas, this gets you to Suriname & El Caura. But you have Espirinto Santo listed before that - are you popping SAC+FC to get to there?

Next, you go straight from El Caura to Central Newfoundland - how are crossing this gap? SAC+FC? And if you are doing SAC+FC, do you go to Eastern Paraguay first to get that money cache (the money from it invested into Army Camps helps make the FCs a lot higher. SAC+FC aside, after getting the caches mentioned & popping an IM on El Caura and then heading to Central Newfoundland, you should run out of units around Northern New Brunswick if you go through NA (still 5 territories & ~7.2B units shy of target), or around Galicia if you go through Africa (still 2 territories, 2.9B units short of target). Once you get to Central Newfoundland, then you get enough units to get to Snow, then you're 1 IM away from an easy ride through the rest of the level, but I don't understand your path to Newfoundland.

@Xeno
69 SAsc's! Jeepers ... which artifacts did you keep and what levels are they at? 16 artifacts is too many, lol, just don't need that many, you must have a bunch of fodder among them, just holders for Rares/Epics/Legendaries until you can upgrade something better to Insane. But I guess once you have +1200 starting AP (gets you AQ), +1075% AP (can finish with just 1 pass through Hex, maybe even earlier?) ... what else do you invest in, right?

3rd super Ascension today.

@krinid Sure, it involves using other artifacts, this was my setting the last time I played it

https://www.warzone.com/Forum/590438-super-ascension-know?Offset=20

I can't give you the exact locations on Hex Earth now as I am back in phase 2 after super ascending, but it's mainly using SAC+FC to start with, get the caches in Sth America, buy mercs from the MCs in Sth America, go to the MC in Mexico (use IM power or IM artifact), go to the MC in Newfoundland (use IM power or IM artifact) and from there you can reach the caches in Greenland and the large merc camp - no need to use IM on this one, buying armies from the available money is enough to get to the next large army cache in Russia (?) and from there to the hospitals, upgrade the 3 hospitals and then go to the army caches in the west.

So technically it involves 2 IM depending how advanced the IM artifact is. I will recheck the exact route when I am back on Hex.

I guess everyone really does Hex Earth different. My most optimized pathing uses 1 IM arti and 0 powers it takes ~15-20m to finish w/o clan requests. I use markets and don't go to Greenland unless I need the hospital over there (rare). The level can be done with 0 AP if you have an insane army cache boost in 4 hours for hospitals + however long it takes you to click all those hexagons lol. My 1st run I had 4051AP spent and used 3IM because I got semi lost but could have done it with only 2 IM. I probably spent too much time analyzing this level since then >.>.

@Krinid

I sort of explained it on discord but as a general rule of thumb to upgrade artifacts w/o digging:
- you need 3 "feeder" spots if you want to upgrade a rare to epic (unless you do WZIB till 3200BP then only need 2 spots).
- you need 2 "feeder" spots if you want to upgrade an epic to legendary.
- you need 6 "feeder" spots if you want to upgrade a legendary to insane.

I will explain the legendary case since I have 10 main artifacts spots + 6 feeders spots. It takes 10 super (20 epics) to make 1 insane assuming your base is already legendary as shown below by getting the 1st place battle epic + epic Triple strike.

X => Empty
E => Epic
L => Legendary
XXXXXX=> EEXXXX => EEEEXX => LEXXXX => LEEEXX => LLXXXX=> LLEEXX => LLEEEE=> LLLEXX => LLLEEE => LLLLXX => make insane

Takes 5 days for the last legendary to upgrade + 10 days for the insane to be born so it takes 10 super + 15 days to get an insane.

Old picture but it basically looks like this:
https://i.imgur.com/Rw47YKC.png

Think most of my 10 main artis are in the picture but all 10 are either legendary or insane no rare or epic left (even the hospital boost is legendary because why not lol). Well the 4 I had equipped are not shown since they got appended at the end but it should be evident that they are SAC + TW + AV + Army Camp Boost.

Edit: Was in a rush so many typos lol.

Edited 8/11/2022 00:08:08

@Olja
What do you mean by the 'Greenland caches'? There's only 1 money cache, no army caches. I never really considered the money cache there significant, only 10T, which on this map doesn't buy many mercs, only about 25B mercs? That won't get you to Russia for the army caches. Actually it might - it probably gets you to Ustuansky, which gives enough to get to the Russia caches.

@Xeno
Don't go to Greenland? That's a lot of mercs you're foregoing, and the hospital, too ... so you just go straight through Africa to Russia?

I use markets and don't go to Greenland unless I need the hospital over there (rare).

Of course no clan reqs, they're entirely useless on the new levels, but 1 IM arti & 0 powers, how do you even get to the markets at all? Assuming the first market you hit is Borkou 2, and that only gives about 100B profit, so with 0 AP (or even 1200 AP, you've still got 0 invested in Merc Disc Adv) and even with MD arti, this would only get you a couple billion armies, not enough to get to the next market @ Bonjurd.

My most optimized pathing uses 1 IM arti and 0 powers it takes ~15-20m to finish w/o clan requests.

LOL, "can" be done, yes, but "should" not be. I value my fingers, and that's about 3300 clicks more than I'm willing to do.

The level can be done with 0 AP if you have an insane army cache boost in 4 hours for hospitals + however long it takes you to click all those hexagons lol.

Also see you're still using TS - have you not graduated to QS yet? Given that you spend most of your time on Hex, would assume you either use QS or don't need TS/QS at all.

Edited 8/11/2022 06:07:29

Updated Ivan0's progress.

Xeno is shown twice on the leaderboard. At 12 and at 69

Fixed. Thanks for pointing out.

Xeno are you saying you don’t even bother digging anymore? You just get the two Epics per super ascension and the any digging is negligible?

Xeno are you saying you don’t even bother digging anymore? You just get the two Epics per super ascension and the any digging is negligible?

Makes sense. Once the +AP% gets high, a single SAsc only takes at max a few days if you're diligently playing, maybe a bit longer depending on cooldowns/power usage/etc.

So given the facts that (A) carryover slots are limited, and (B) digs in process are silently aborted when you SAsc (ie: you don't carryover digs in process), digging up new artifacts doesn't really make sense. Most of them won't finish in the time it takes before next SAsc, and even if they do, they're likely to be Uncommon level (small % chance of Rare or Epic if you do those digs, but then it's likely Poor not even Uncommon), in which case the Epic you get from clearing Hard Creek is a better use of the carryover slot.

The time it would take to dig up a bunch more Uncommons to upgrade to Rares then 1 Epic just isn't justified. So digging is no longer useful unless you still need to get that 1 artifact type you've been searching for.

@krinid
>Don't go to Greenland? That's a lot of mercs you're foregoing, and the hospital, too ... so you just go straight through Africa to Russia?

As usual I counted how many troops it takes from point "A to B" for anything remotely important in this level so I could know if I have enough troops to reach stuff at any AP amount or arti combination. The number of troops you spend by going to Greenland is enough to get the next army cache and basically finish the level. You can go to Greenland if you want to but it's not optimal ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

It could exist but have not found a case were going to the 1st market at some point is not the most efficient way to clear the level if you have a good AV artifact. It just takes 2.7b to get there and don't need much artifact/advancement to get that back with the money produced and be at a net gain. As usual it all depends on which artifacts/advancement you have so you can go from needing only 1IM to 3 IM.

>Also see you're still using TS - have you not graduated to QS yet? Given that you spend most of your time on Hex, would assume you either use QS or don't need TS/QS at all.

On paper QS looks better and I was hyped about it but in practice I found myself using it on territories were there was no 4th neighbor or that I could not conquer the 4th neighbor (Ex. early big stack with only 3 cheap neighbors). The extra required territory made having a QS a no-go for me and TS was enough on cases that QS could actually be used.

Kind of funny but I just got an epic QS from WZIB >.>. It's like my 3rd or 4th too.

@graemes

Yes. I don't dig anymore. Digging is more tedious and slow. I'm getting efficient at no powers HCCC (pic below) and WZIB takes 1-2 tries. I may dig again if I need a specific artifact like a 2nd or 3rd TW for meme strategies or a Fog Buster to solve the mystery of how "good" an insane one is.

Old pic:
https://i.imgur.com/vYpjPMi.png

It’s interesting how the “increased AP” super-ascension reward ended up being the “faster artifact collection” reward as well.

Makes it nearly impossible to justify -20% dig speed unfortunately…

+34 faster artifact digging

Digging Speed : 99.975 %
Dig duration, Common : 7.2 seconds
https://ibb.co/tbRRZ6F

+40
Dig duration, Common : 2 seconds
+50
Dig duration, Common : 0.2

Lol. Insta-dig.

What exactly is the point in that many dig speed upgrades? There aren't enough dig sites for that to be useful also upgrading arts takes time that you just have to wait at the end of a SAsc.

For fun I guess. It's funny.

here: "+34 faster artifact digging"

That must be SAsc nr 100 or something?