but now WG and relite are better. IMHO (relite are MUCH better for sure)

Sorry for the triple :/

If Relite join this season, I think they should be allowed into Division B, due to their evident skill (at the expense of VIW).

Arun, I did it mostly compared to last season. But when you look at the people last season, it seems much more obvious to do it this way. Relite is obviously deserving of Group A. [WG] had 4 people in it at that time, one of which was booted in over half of his games. CPU finished 2 points above [WG] but lost Ineffable to [WG] and did not gain many good players that I know of. [WL] was carried by Ironnova who won his 1v1 and 2v2 tournaments. He is no longer active, so that is their best player gone. 2 other members that participated for that clan are also now inactive.

Gnuffone, I'm not sure, hopefully within the next couple weeks, maybe even sooner. I think that the template works well enough. However since in the top group, each clan has at least 10 or so players I believe, I will make a game with the leaders of the clans and we might add a few more tournaments to give more players a shot to do whatever they want.

Gnuff, maybe so but can you prove this quantifiably? I think Clan League Season X placement should be based on Clan League Season X-1.

Saying this, this clan league will be totally different to the last two, so I don't object too strongly to the current placements.

Yeah I see your point and agree with it JSA. Set up a game with me whenever and I'll try to get the teams sorted as soon as possible.

Looking forward to the next time now that we have a larger group (and hopefully no boots).

Despite i believe for example WG and ReLite definitely belong to GroupA, i think if you make divisions this season, the ONLY acceptable way is by dividing according to results of last season. There should not be any bias or handicap based on your whim, even when most of people agree some clans seem better than others. If you divide this into groups, then it should be done like in promotion/relegaiton league. Group divisions should be decided only on standings from last seasons, and new participants should start from the bottom. and i also agree 5 is a bit to few. it should be somewhere between 7 and 10 clans for each group..

let's be fair JSA, let it be something like:
A)
1. Apex/[WM]: 176
2. Apex/[WM]: 176
3. AHOL: 163
4. [WL]: 157
5. CPU: 129
6. [WG]: 127
7. [REGL]: 116

B)
8. {Warlighters}: 108
9. FBG: 106
10. [VIW]/[MC]: 105
11. [VIW]/[MC]: 105
12. {RSP}: 88
13. {101st}: 75
14. [TUC]: 66

C)
15. Dragon: 58
16. [KK]: 51
17. Elite: 37
18. [P]/[Zen-D]: 36
19. [P]/[Zen-D]: 36
20. {RING}: 30

if people demand it, i would give a wildcard to ReLites into group B or A, but it's a slippery idea, because if they get a wildcard, then why don't the others..? The more subjective you will get and the more clans you will treat individually, the less arbitrary and serious this league will be. I do understand some clans had retirements in their teams, and some boots as well.. but for example WM had the same problem with at least one player, which cost us a few points. But we don't whine about it.

sorry for doublepost.

Again i don't agree with JSA. The clans have EARNED their position. You shouldn't judge what WILL happen (because that is basically what you do when you immediately diminish clans, who have lost a good player, and automatically promote those who acquired good players) You don't have the full information on how their old players improved, and on which players retired, and which joined a clan. You also have no information yet on which players will be representing which clan. Or maybe you are planning to determine the groups based on that ass well?? This is ridiculous - will you take {warlighters} into group B if they will play with WFV, Febo and polakillo, and to group C if they pull out a team of their worse players?

i really hope the groups will not be determined on your whim, but on results of previous league.

I agree with slotting clans based on last league, regardless of circumstances and leaving judgement out of it. You would open a can of worms.

Another possible issue is people in multi clans. That greatly effects where a clan should be ranked also. We have a few very good players in multiple clans. Suppose they don't play for WG. Suppose other clans have similar issues (Noobschool playing for Apex and not AHOL, etc). It needs to be based on past results

My idea with the clan league is to match up similar clans in terms of skill as best we can. The problem with putting Relite in the lowest group is that it is no fun for them then. Or even Group B. They would dominate the group and have no competition. It is not fun to be able to beat everybody else without even trying. Instead there needs to be some serious competition. That is why I am not going completely based on pass results, although it is very similar. The top 5 seem by far to be the best 5 to me. However, 7 teams in a group is a good idea in my opinion. I just don't see any way to leave Relite out of that though. You say let's be fair, but not adding Relite in Group A would be penalizing any new clans. This season, I was completely bored with most games, even 1v1 and before lolowut started getting booted. There were just very few games I actually tried on because over half were games against players that had no business playing against me. And I'm sure it was even worse on Dead piggy and Ironnova and Boston. I would rather people enjoy the league rather than making it always go exactly according to a strict schedule and not make exceptions. The other 2 teams that would be joining the top group, [WL] and CPU work for me and in that case, I see no reason why [REGL] or {Warlighters} should jump them. The only time I would have a clan jump another clan is if one clan is obviously stronger than another. So the new plans for me:

Group A:
[WM]
Apex
Relite
[WG]
[WL]
AHOL
CPU

Group B:
[REGL]
{Warlighters}
FBG
[MC]
[VIW]
{101st}
[TUC]

Group C:
Dragon
[KK]
[Zen-D]
[P]
{RING}
Any new clans (I predict 1-2 of these clans I have currently listed will drop out due to not having the people for it)

JSA, ironnova is not inactive :) we can find him back :)

why did you leave RSP out? do they not have enough people at the moment?

PS: as for your reply, i agree - i would give ReLites wildcard to group A.

i dont think anyone wants to join, i can play the entire thing out myself, i think i'm the best eu 3v3 player in my clan anyway.

1v1
/RSP\Falcon51
Christian Grey

2v2
/RSP\Falcon51
Christian Grey

3v3
/RSP\Falcon51
Christian Grey
{RSP}Nike

Is that OK?

RSP is a semi-dead clan anyway, i wanted to join Relite just for this thing, but Mannerheim told me my forum activity showed that i'm not friendly enough to join them. :/

Dammit Relite pushed REGL out of Group A :(

How many clans will be going up and down? I think it should be top 2 and bottom 2 switch, if not each change will be too slow, and whoever goes down next season will go up the next.

We will put out a better team this time, with probably only {CS} members, when will the exact names have to go up?

Sorry for double post, but Falcon / Nike, that would eb the same as if HHH, Gui or myhand decided to make their own clan and just join with alts, wouldn't be good. Find 2 new players or don't play imo

yeah no clan make with multiaccount.
7 clan for division seems good.

I think before you slot clans you need to know the rosters competing. Several clans are top heavy with a few good players and a lot of average players. Some of those people are in multiple clans as well. Where they play greatly alters the expected level that clan would compete at.

I think these are the steps you should follow:

1) Decide on formats of all games/divisions
2) Get rosters from clan leaders
3) Slot clans into appropriate divisions

Falcon, a clan is not made of one player. The timing will depend on the group. Group A will be the first group we worry about and then we'll go down from there. I think the settings worked well this season, I don't know what to change them too, except I'd like to see 2v2 move to the map East Asia & Oceania to provide a little bit of change. I am not judging all on rosters, I don't think one player missing from any one clan will decrease them too much, and to me the groups seem to be set up right at the moment.