Hi,

I miss some gamefunctions what could make the game more variable and more playable. If the game is just made for money you could make this options just playable for players who bought this game.


1: First order running
At first I noted that to make the first order completly random can change a tactical won game to a lose. Because often you have just 1 effectiv way to beat a huge stack of units, by hunting it with a twice bigger stack. But too often it happens that you cant catch it within 7 turns while it destroys all bonuses at his way. It would be nice if the chances of a bigger stack get higher to get the first order as larger it is in comparison to the smaller running stack. 1 % for each 1 % larger stack.


2: 1vs1 begin with 1 country for each
The second thing would be the terrible situation, if you start with 1 country and start exaclty next to your opponent or 1-2 moves after the start, which always ends in a boring game for you and your opponent because they have to deploy all their units in the same countrys and end their turn until anyone others join the fight. Maybe you could make a option which gives neighboring countrys into your and your opponent's bonus. And then splitt the base income of these players to these countrys. For example: 2 Players start next together. And then after deploying and end turn both players get countrys within their bonuses of his opponent next to the picks. If you start at "Lower Austria" and your opponent at "Nitra" you would get "Trenciansky" and " Banska Bystrica" and your opponent "Upper Austria" and "Southern Austria". If both players start at "Austria" it would be also enough if they would get +1 country at this bonus and split their base income at these countrys also. If you take a bonus country of your opponent you dont get his bonus but you still decrease his income. This splitt should hold at least 3 turns.


3: Giftsystem
The third thing i would like to have is a option to gift neighboring countrys teammates. Then you dont need to attack your teammate just to have it at your own.


4: 0,5 income
It would make the game more balanceable if it would be possible to have 0,5 units. In this case you would save it until you get another 0,5 units to complete the unit for deploy.


5: More balanceable bonus
It would be a good thing, if there would be a option to make a bonus income without to complete it. For example could "Austria" give 2 income complete and if you control just 2 countrys of "Austria" it would still grant 1 income.

Edited 11/22/2014 20:23:14

Too much reading 3/10.

I'll let someone else point out the obvious

Yeah. Mr. Pride hates Jews.

Please give senseful replys, if you have something to say.

This game is not made to be a money generator and half these features are already in existence, the other don't make sense or are pointless:


1) 0,5 unit income -> pointless, just make it a whole unit and increase the income volume (20 for a bonus instead of 2, for example)

2) Balanced bonuses -> exists, you can change the amount of units you get for each bonus, make your own map with bonuses, etc

3) 1 country (bonus?) each -> exists, can be done with custom scenario, if your level is too low to use it, buy a membership or wait until your level is high enough

4) First order running -> pointless, encourages stacking and steamrolling which kills the strategic value of the game

1) 0,5 unit income -> pointless, just make it a whole unit and increase the income volume (20 for a bonus instead of 2, for example)

I already tryed it, all around its ok. But in this case you have also to increase the neutral units. And you cant change the minimum number of units in a country. It would be just easier if you could have 0,5 income also.

2) Balanced bonuses -> exists, you can change the amount of units you get for each bonus, make your own map with bonuses, etc

Of course you can change it already but i wanted a other kind of bonus also, just read it, then you understand.

3) 1 country (bonus?) each -> exists, can be done with custom scenario, if your level is too low to use it, buy a membership or wait until your level is high enough

You are talking about 1 bonus for each country but i didnt say anything about that.

4) First order running -> pointless, encourages stacking and steamrolling which kills the strategic value of the game

Of course it isnt pointless, many games get decided just because of runnings and it wouldnt encourages stacking, because you cant run at this way anymore like before, so players would splitt more.

Edited 11/22/2014 20:53:08

@Taisho
Membership doesn't give you custom scenario.

But in this case you have also to increase the neutral units. And you cant change the minimum number of units in a country
You can.

5. I believe "Extra armies per territory" would suit your need, it is not exactly the same, but should be close enough. http://wiki.warlight.net/index.php/Extra_armies_for_territories

1. Check out order priority card, or play with cyclic move order.Oh, and just in case you don't know this is how move order works: http://wiki.warlight.net/index.php/Move_Order


3. just play with giftcards, as many as you'd like.

2. 2: 1vs1 begin with 1 country for each
I'm not sure what you mean here, if it is a 1v1 game, in which nothing will ever happen; simply Vote to End. if it is an ffa, you can just use PMs to make a truce.

2) Balanced bonuses -> exists, you can change the amount of units you get for each bonus, make your own map with bonuses, etc

Of course you can change it already but i wanted a other kind of bonus also, just read it, then you understand.

Got it, my bad. There's a feature that gives you bonus units for owning over a certain umber of territories, i.e. +1 income for every 3 territories, admittedly not the same, but quite similar.

3) 1 country (bonus?) each -> exists, can be done with custom scenario, if your level is too low to use it, buy a membership or wait until your level is high enough

You are talking about 1 bonus for each country but i didnt say anything about that.

Okay, I completely misunderstood this, sorry -_-"

4) First order running -> pointless, encourages stacking and steamrolling which kills the strategic value of the game

Of course it isnt pointless, many games get decided just because of runnings and it wouldnt encourages stacking, because you cant run at this way anymore like before, so players would splitt more. Even common tactical moves wouldnt change this way.

You would use it to kill smaller stacks before they break your defenses, but players would turn it around and use it to stack and steamroll, so of course it would change the way people play the game.


Genghis, I don't use it often so I wasn't aware, my bad.

Edited 11/22/2014 20:53:43

Hennns

5. I believe "Extra armies per territory" would suit your need, it is not exactly the same, but should be close enough. http://wiki.warlight.net/index.php/Extra_armies_for_territories

Far away from it. Because i want to ->balance<- the bonuses. It has nothing to do with your income all around. I want that bigger bonuses as France are less fragile. And if i would just increase the income from it, it just become too strong. While smaller bonuses like "Austria" change completly their strengh if i just add 1 more bonus unit.

1. Check out order priority card, or play with cyclic move order.Oh, and just in case you don't know this is how move order works: http://wiki.warlight.net/index.php/Move_Order

No, because the runner could also use it and furthermore, it should happens everytime and not just if you have the card for it.

3. just play with giftcards, as many as you'd like.

Giftcards wouldnt be the same because you could survive everytime and too many gifts would allow you to gift complete bonuses to players who need it at most on the front. So it must be everytime possible and it must be aside to your teammates countrys for a better gameplay.

2. 2: 1vs1 begin with 1 country for each
I'm not sure what you mean here, if it is a 1v1 game, in which nothing will ever happen; simply Vote to End. if it is an ffa, you can just use PMs to make a truce.

Never played 3on3? It can always happen that you fight for a while alone against one other. And truces are just bad in ffa, it destroys the gamesense.




Taishö

Got it, my bad. There's a feature that gives you bonus units for owning over a certain umber of territories, i.e. +1 income for every 3 territories, admittedly not the same, but quite similar.

Same answear.

No, no I'm not. I'm saying you can assign each player a complete bonus from the start of the game, just like you mentioned, by using custom scenario.

I know of course that its possible to customize a scenario to have a complete bonus at start but it isnt what i wanted.

You would use it to kill smaller stacks before they break your defenses, but players would turn it around and use it to stack and steamroll, so of course it would change the way people play the game.

There is already a focus on stacks in game if you didnt realize it. But this way it isnt possible anymore that 1 stack can hold you. You raelly think its a great thing of the game that someone just need a pretty big stack and a huge amount of luck to win the game, while you already have a huge advantage which you could never stop other way? And of course it also change games which are still not decided. I really dont like it if luck is more decideable than any other tactic.


Edited 11/22/2014 21:31:23

Looks like you need to just deal with it. You're played an Indie game bro, this ain't Battlefield.

Each computer game can be changed, if the onwer would want it.

Edited 11/22/2014 21:34:34

The owner doesn't exactly have change to throw, is always very busy and takes a while to do anything. Get used to it, because it'll stay that way until WarLight becomes GOTY.

Far away from it. Because i want to ->balance<- the bonuses. It has nothing to do with your income all around. I want that bigger bonuses as France are less fragile. And if i would just increase the income from it, it just become too strong. While smaller bonuses like "Austria" change completly their strengh if i just add 1 more bonus unit.

Warlight have over 1000 maps, I'm sure there is one which have bonuses the way you'd want them to be. if not you can always make your own map.

No, because the runner could also use it and furthermore, it should happens everytime and not just if you have the card for it.

Cyclic means you will altenrnate turns, that's good enough imo. and no the guy with the small stack most likely won't use the OP card the same turn, unless you play easily predictable.

Giftcards wouldnt be the same because you could survive everytime and too many gifts would allow you to gift complete bonuses to players who need it at most on the front. So it must be everytime possible and it must be aside to your teammates countrys for a better gameplay.
then add that as a rule and play with frends/players who will honor it. Just cause the game doesn't work excatly like you want doesn't mean you can't play that way. This possibility to play with different settings/rules is one of the things that makes wl great.


Never played 3on3? It can always happen that you fight for a while alone against one other. And truces are just bad in ffa, it destroys the gamesense.

I've played 3v3, but since you said 1v1 it wasn't clear what you were talking about ;) Keep in mind that just cause you want to play one way doesn't mean that everyone want to play that way. I think both truce/no truce is fun ways to play ffa's but I don't see how your suggestion will improve either version.


Oh, and also sorry if this sounds rude; If you've problems cause a small stack breaks your bonuses while you're hunting it with a larger once, consider changing your strategy, not the game. For example use your stack to break more of his bonuses instead of hunting your opponents stack with no success.(ofc this ins't always possible, but you get the point; play to your advantages, not your opponents)

Edited 11/22/2014 22:09:53

There is already a focus on stacks in game if you didnt realize it.

Eh, I've played this game for a couple of years, against a variety of players and I can tell you that everyone has their* own style. Stacks have their uses, but can be countered as well. I wouldn't be for changing up the system just to make stacks more/less useful than before.

Balanced bonus -> I just realized you're essentially advocating a super-bonus, which many maps already have (i.e. a bonus within a bonus).

Edited 11/23/2014 12:16:14

He's not advocating anything. I sincerely doubt he even knows what he's talking about.

1: First order running

How about not running after a stack like an idiot. Maybe try to predict your opponents moves and intercept, attack his bonuses...I bet some better players than me can give you many other solutions this. By the way how can one large stack break all your bonuses, it can break one at a time. But, Running after a stack and later complaining you didn't catch it is NOT the games fault.

2: 1vs1 begin with 1 country for each

I don't think this deserves an answer. But, here it is.....If you start next to an opponent, CRUSH HIM! Trying to balance your inability to play 1vs1 in slightly better or worse situation is NOT the games fault.

3: Giftsystem

What?!? Are you proposing that the game implements a gift card? Whats the problem with attacking your teammate to get a bonus? What is this theoretical situation you find your self unable to overcome? Not knowing now to help your teammates or use a gift card is NOT the games fault.

5: More balanceable bonus

No! That's an idiotic proposal. This game is basically Risk, the whole fucking point is to get the whole bonus. If you are unable to get a whole bonus, consider changing and improving your tactics and strategy. You inability to get a bonus is NOT the games fault.

Conclusion: Warlight is far from perfect, even far from great, but neither is Risk, nor any other game. Hence, your inability to understand the game mechanics and adapt and learn is NOT THE GAMES FAULT.

And just to make it clear: I'm not suggesting that Warlight shouldn't make changes or improvements, but you are suggesting changing the very core of the game.

So, Go find another game better suited to your wishes or even better, make one for yourself. If it's so great we will come to play it ;D

Edited 11/23/2014 01:44:10

To Incaman

1: First order running

How about not running after a stack like an idiot. Maybe try to predict your opponents moves and intercept, attack his bonuses...I bet some better players than me can give you many other solutions this. By the way how can one large stack break all your bonuses, it can break one at a time. But, Running after a stack and later complaining you didn't catch it is NOT the games fault.

You seem not to understand the game. There are a lot kinds of tactical situations in the game. And to beat 1 large stack which is moving to your bonuses is only beatable by a larger big stack. And usually you also have stacks standing around moving at the front or as defense. So you put them together or your opponent will crush many of your bonuses and maybe even take it for its own. If you get in a 3on3 overwehlmed and losing the control of course you try to do much as possible to slow him down till your defeat to give your team better chances for a win. And sometimes next to a gurilla tactic which fight with many smaller groups you still have a larger group from a front you couldnt hold which you can use to walk to his center by walking around his defense. And in this case and many other ways how big stacks walk and move you can only stop them with a larger stack and its always luck if you can catch it but it shoulndt be. If a running large stack walks through your and your mates bonuses you cant recapture it immidatelly. You lose a lot income which will make a big difference 20 - 30. And in addition you also lose the units you have to put to the stack because you always need the doubled amount and that means you cant have them on the front where you will lose other bonuses. It also can happen at the start if you feed a mate and if you would not hunt him he would just destroy all what you have what end in a lose.

2: 1vs1 begin with 1 country for each

I don't think this deserves an answer. But, here it is.....If you start next to an opponent, CRUSH HIM! Trying to balance your inability to play 1vs1 in slightly better or worse situation is NOT the games fault.

You didnt read or understand it. If you start with 1 country exaclty next to your opponent you cant do anything except deploy and end your turn until someone reach this situation and feed. Here it always ends in a hunting situation. And of course the one who feed miss his units for other things and that means you have to catch him soon or you have a disadvantage.

3: Giftsystem

What?!? Are you proposing that the game implements a gift card? Whats the problem with attacking your teammate to get a bonus? What is this theoretical situation you find your self unable to overcome? Not knowing now to help your teammates or use a gift card is NOT the games fault.

One guy falmes me for writting to much, but if i dont write everything you dont understand. I even explained it. Gift cards are not the solution. Just look what i have written before.

4: More balanceable bonus

No! That's an idiotic proposal. This game is basically Risk, the whole fucking point is to get the whole bonus. If you are unable to get a whole bonus, consider changing and improving your tactics and strategy. You inability to get a bonus is NOT the games fault.
Conclusion: Warlight is far from perfect, even far from great, but neither is Risk, nor any other game. Hence, your inability to understand the game mechanics and adapt and learn is NOT THE GAMES FAULT.
And just to make it clear: I'm not suggesting that Warlight shouldn't make changes or improvements, but you are suggesting changing the very core of the game.
So, Go find another game better suited to your wishes or even better, make one for yourself. If it's so great we will come to play it ;D

You have not understand it. I try to balance a map sensful, so that bigger bonuses would have more risk but are more commercial. Smaller bonuses have less risk but are less commercial but at the moment the options to balance are not enough to give the game a perfect balance. It always ends that i have to give the largest bonuses more income what resolves in a to high income for them while the smallest are not commercial in comparison to them. Because the middle bonuses have pretty low risk and are still very commercial.

To Taisho

1: Stacks can be countered
Eh, I've played this game for a couple of years, against a variety of players and I can tell you that everyone has there own style. Stacks have their uses, but can be countered as well. I wouldn't be for changing up the system just to make stacks more/less useful than before.

2: Super-Bonus is already in game
Balanced bonus -> I just realized you're essentially advocating a super-bonus, which many maps already have (i.e. a bonus within a bonus).

As i explained, there are diffrent kind of tactical situations, with appropirate answears how you have to move if you want to do it right. And i also already explained that i dont want to have a bonus in a super-bonus, because somone could break both at once. I try to balance "Europe" which is too small for super-bonuses and if i would still try it, you could get to strong with it and you wouldnt have the effect to lower the risk from larger bonuses you would just have more small or middle bonuses then and no large bonuses anymore.

To Hennns

1: Just look for the right map
Warlight have over 1000 maps, I'm sure there is one which have bonuses the way you'd want them to be. if not you can always make your own map.

But many of them are too small or too big. Or the countrys are to narrow together. Just "Europe" and a few other maps are playable for that kind of play i wanted.

2: It wasnt clear
I've played 3v3, but since you said 1v1 it wasn't clear what you were talking about ;) Keep in mind that just cause you want to play one way doesn't mean that everyone want to play that way. I think both truce/no truce is fun ways to play ffa's but I don't see how your suggestion will improve either version.

3: First order and cards
Cyclic means you will altenrnate turns, that's good enough imo. and no the guy with the small stack most likely won't use the OP card the same turn, unless you play easily predictable.

You dont get it. So again, it must be for all running situations and not just for these you have a card for. Otherwise you would just stop some of the running stacks, simple.

Again, ppl wayne because i write so much even if it would just take 2 minutes to read it. So i didnt write 1 more phrase to explain that it's meant even for a multiplayer game for more than 2 players. But if you would have read the text you would have understand it.

4: Anti-stack strategy
Oh, and also sorry if this sounds rude; If you've problems cause a small stack breaks your bonuses while you're hunting it with a larger once, consider changing your strategy, not the game. For example use your stack to break more of his bonuses instead of hunting your opponents stack with no success.(ofc this ins't always possible, but you get the point; play to your advantages, not your opponents)

If you dont want to lose the game you have to build a defense for your bonuses. And of course you will also have a offense. But in this game i usually play the situation is always diffrent. Sometimes your opponent is in the position to break bonuses from you and sometimes you are in the position to break his. And if there is running a large stack to you, and you have to stop it before it braks 90 % of your income together with your team. You must stop it with your units you have in the near of it. If you wouldnt use them for defense, and you would send them to his bonuses instead, you would need maybe 20 turns until they reach it while your bonuses are already under control of your opponent.

Edited 11/23/2014 13:12:01

By the way i also miss a function to delay order. So that someone with just 3 moves can have the last order although someone others has 50 moves.

You want to build a map is built you can not easily break the bonuses? And will be a long game and show real? I have an idea how to do it if you want.
I build games if local deployment in cities, and a bonus on earth,,, that the state survives for a long time and the game looks realistic.
Ldogma- war between the Czech Republic and Austria, you have to take the city to subdue the country.