His is a completely different way of doing it. We talked about doing both last season but I decided on only doing the round robin with a couple eliminiation tournametns. This season offers [20] plaeyrs a chance to do both or do whichever one they like more.

I played in this when I first joined and enjoyed it, so sign me up! I don't know if I'm good enough for [20] though, I might be in one of the lower leagues.

I would like to join

btw, even though I said people playing in Qi's [20] shouldn't be allowed here I still want to play if others will.

Also if there are 2 [20] Leagues going on at the same time who chooses which is the real one? I remember players (I think Gui) saying that the reason they played [20] (the old one), was so they would only play against players of their ability, with each game being fun and very competitive, since in normal round robins everyone had lost a sense of importancy and stopped trying. If there are 2 [20] tournaments then people will stop trying in one of them, also annoying that you both start your own at the same time, since there hasn't been a [20] tournament for a long time now (a year I believe but am not sure)

The last season of [20] just finished a few months ago. I personally was waiting until I was done going on so many trips and I was also waiting to see what 2.0 offered (dissapointly nothing new).

If you want to play just one, I would advise you to join Qi's. But if you are up for extra games against players of your skill level, then join mine.

I will join both, but maybe it would make sense to call it something else, or we will have to call it "Qi's [20]" and "JSA's [20]" which isn't really a very good name for either of them :/

Or it can be [20] Elimination tournaments and [20] Round Robins. It's the same players in both, it's still [20].

I don't know, too similar, but then again I am 1 player out of the 60+ who will be playing in the [20] tournaments

I'll play if you'll have me.

I feel that i have improved enough to join this

Apparently I'm a PG graduate, so I thought I'd add my 2 cents:
I played in the first PG season before I bought my membership (and for the most part, lost badly), and I can say I learned a lot from those matches. Without that experience, I would probably have entered the ladder #60 or so.

The Proving Grounds were originally meant to be just that: a league where not-quite top players can prove their worth and learn from playing against people of similar skill.


If you can consistently rank in the top 10 of the ladder, IMHO you don't belong in PG.
PG isn't 20 and isn't meant to be. It's meant for active average and above-average players who want to have some fun competing against each other and/or improve their skill.

Judging by the replies in this thread, I'd say there's enough interest in the Proving Grounds that there doesn't have to be much overlap between PG and 20.


Good luck to all who join the league!

(...I won't play in PG, but I might be motivated to help with some organisational aspects. So you can give me a shout if you want, JSA.)

I'm interested but not if it is medium earth and slightly less interested in europe as well.

Yes maybe if it is turkey or ancient greece or guiroma...Anyways i'll play in this if it isnt medium earth. Also if your [20] league has the same players as Qi's i guess i would end up in that i think i could fit into the bottom of group C

I'll join! :)

add me to the list please

Okay, I have added everyone who signed up, as well as many other players. I have 25 players in [20A] and [20B] each, 26 in [20C], 45 in [PGA] and [PGB] each.

If you have not signed up, please do it asap. Otherwise you may not be invited to it. I will posts the lists here once I finalize them.

Veelvraat has convinced me to try this again, i am in.

sure. in.

I would like to join if possible

Buzz, you appear to be an alt :( I'm afraid alts aren't allowed without everyone knowing who your older account is.

Madness, Awesome :) Didn't know you were still active.