the most important question: purpose.

if you want to get the most accurate rank of as many of the best 25 to 30 players based on three game modes (1v1 2v2 3v3), can it be done if

1. maybe one-third to half dont join any tournaments
2. most will only join 1-2 tournaments
3. only 3 to 8 players will join all tournaments
4. people already have intense clan challenges, champion's league and other RR tournaments going on
5. so many B league replacements are needed that A league becomes AB league in reality and unbalanced teams end up matching up teams of A leaguers vs teams of B leaguers

my series of 20 tournaments: it is just fun compeition trying to get as many good players to play on what i find to be interesting templates. the points add a little extra to the fun, but are not the main focus for everyone.

I completely disagree with a lot of your points.

1. I estimate roughly three quarters will join at least one tournament.
2. 8 have already joined all 3.
3. 8 players have already joined all tounaments. I assume 4-5 more players will too.
4. Champion's League is pretty mujch done atm I believe, and there are very few intense clan challenges.
5. We can do it with only 15 players in 3v3, and about 14 in 1v1 and 2v2, I am not necssarily going to fill it up if A leaguers decline.

I have no doubt your tournaments will be fun and I plan to join most of them. However, some people will get tired of them after about 5. How many A league quality plaeyrs do you fully expect to participate in over 15 of them? I estimate less than the amount that joins the round robins. I will play in both and if in our chat game, we decide to do the champions league style too, I am most definitely in. I feel like it's best to give players a couple options while trying not to make good plaeyrs pick between two.

I believe Qi's prediction of the less people will be true for a lot of people, once school starts a lot of people will become very busy and not want long and tough round robins to add onto other games

Ah, but what about the elimination tournaments? If people are busy with school, why would they even join the eliminations? That is something that might keep me from joining all of them. 3 games at a time is not a terrible amount, but with the elimination tournaments, you could easily have much more going on.

And the question isn't which one is best so much as should we do more than 1?

20 tournaments. 120 people invited to each. it doesnt matter if people dont join. the joy of playing is more important than proving yohrself to your peers. this is the difference. change your mindset and you will see this as the difference. you want tournaments that prove something. no matter how i might hype mine, i just want tohrnaments that people will enjoy playing, varied settings on different maps, with winning the points race as a secondary or tertiary goal. in your RRs, winning the most games as possible is the primary goal. if i lose every game in every single elimknation i play i will still think it was fun. if i lose every game in an RR i would not find it to have been enjoyable.

I thought the original purpose of [20] was to have constant turnover - lower half/third of A would drop down to B while the upper half/third of B moved up to A, etc.

I've been playing 20B for the past 3 seasons. I even went undefeated in all the games one season - 1v1, 2v2, AND 3v3. Everyone in [20] is a formidable player so I can care less, but I was just curious if 20A has remained consistently the same people also.

Anyway, I pretty much agree with all what Qi said above. I'm just in it for the games to compete and have fun.

Fuck all this 20 grounds.

What Warlight TRULY needs is a drinking club.

I welcome you to the founding fathers: Tigger, Red, and last myself.

This will be a disaster. But so is 20.

神经病

i think we should satisfy's jsa's ever existing thirst to prove himself as the greatest player in wl, the boy who could have reached #1 if only he tried. entertain whatever idiocy he has came up.

Qi, why can't we do both?

EZPickens, I think [20A] has probably stayed pretty consistent but with a few minor changes, eg. Myself, Gnuffone, Anonymous, Falker, featherbucket, Frankdeslimste, marc, etc. just moved up to A this season. I think the biggest think you'll see is that very few people move out of A. I will gladly add you EZ, you were another person that was one of the last off my A list.

Pulsey, that doesn't even make sense, go troll somewhere else.

we are doing both. just offering thoughts based on feedback i got from past seasons and from what i observed. i hope i am wrong about everything related to A league.

it makes perfect sense, jay. you just dont like admitting your faults, not that any of us do.
and hey, YOU DO claim to be a very good player all the time, and YOU DID say you could have reached #1 on the ladder if you just concentrated and tried your best, no?

Qi, thanks for the observations then, i don't agree with them but I know you might be completely right, we'll have to see how this season goes.

Pulsey, jay? I assume that's me. I am a very good player, that's not arrogance, it's the truth. It'd be arrogance if I was rude to people that weren't as good as me just cause they weren't as good as me. I have been that way in the past, but I have tried to stop doing it and I feel that I have succeeded. I could reach #1 on the ladder if I was very focused and dialed in. I just don't have the focus to do it every game though which is very saddening to me :( I will focus on like 12/15 games but there's always a couple that I end up playing realtime and am not focused on the game. But I won't claim to be the best. Because I'm not. Simple as that.

well you just proved all my claims in a nutshell.

Unfortunately JSA (while I agree with your other points on Pulsey), this one claim you make does make you seem arrogant. I could also reach number 1 on the ladder, if I just won 15 games. While I have little doubt you could reach number 1, until you actually do it, the less educated player (someone who doesn't know you) will see you as arrogant. Pulsey has no reason to go on about it though.

I don't care if people don't think I can do it, I know I can, any great player who watches games can tell you I can, it's not arrogance, it's stating a fact. I don't make the claim that I could consistently hold it because I know I still have room for improvement on this game. I state that I can take it and stay within the top 10 after that if I am focused. I am 11th right now and I have not been focused at all on my ladder games. That is why I make that claim. Call me arrogant if you want, I don't consider it that. I don't think I'm better than anybody else in warlight just because I could beat most of them in games, I am currently playing a lot of the guys in gladiators in games because even though they aren't very good players, they are nice people and I enjoy playing them.

In my opinion that is arrogance. The opposite of arrogance, humbleness, would be not mentioning your skill level at all, perhaps if need be just saying that you think you could reach number 1. If the person (Pulsey here) still rejects that, than you can ask him to consult another top player who, if you are good, would agree.

Um I didn't mention my skill level, Pulsey brought it up. Defending myself does not equal arrogance imo. If someone attacks me, I will reply with honesty and defend myself. I was arrogant in the past, but I feel like I've bettered myself since then. I'm done talking, thanks for your opinion though :)

No problem JSA. I see your point of view and agree you are ten times humbler (a word? :P) now.

While i agree you could be #1 JSA, you have not proven it. If focus is your downfall, that is still a weakness. Randy Moss could have been the best WR ever, but he did not have the dedication of Jerry Rice. The pointnis that potential is just that, unless realized. I am not bagging on you for not being focused all the time. I am not either, which is why i am not in the top 25 on ladder. It is ok not to have that dedication, but don't use it as a crutch. Either make the run, or don't mention it. That also means Pulsey needs to stop bringing it up too