not sure i trust momma

Realistically he's already seen this thread. Pretty sure he gets emailed about every non-OT forum thread and reads the forum all the time. He's probably just not responding cause it's not worth his time arguing with vocal users on everything.

Would be cool if he replied every once in a while tho

Explain why things are as they are, and not going to chance.
Then the community has some targeted problems to discuss as well, rather than CW matchmaking as a whole.

Any development here?

Should be a one or two user voice from this thread.
Can anyone point to any?

Also, could be a topic for the next AMA. Fizzer responds there pretty often, if usually discouragingly on CW topics.

Edited 10/20/2023 05:07:40

could be a topic for the next AMA. Fizzer responds there pretty often, if usually discouragingly on CW topics.

Idk, im afraid like last time everyone is just going to tell Fizzer they think he's an idiot for ignoring issues X, Y, Z, and then Fizzer just ignores everyone complaining about CW because of that despite the fact that they are raising very valid points.

Edited 10/20/2023 06:13:52

Any development here?

No, I had way too many obligations recently to finish the code. :(

Would be good if #1 got matched vs #2 in CW and not the current system?

But sort of same as today but let the CW table decide instead of CWR.

So the leader in CW gets to play games:

First matched against number 2 clan, then if not enough from number 2 then number 3 and so on.
When top rated clan has been given games then number 2 rated clan starts to play highest rated clans thats left and so on.

Still will be some no games if youre a clan without prior history in cw.

Wouldnt work for day 1 slot 1 maybe unless you use the table from the previous season which I guess make some sense.

New clans would have to work themselves a bit up the table with free wins and joining even slots to get games.

Edited 10/24/2023 23:07:10

the current system favours the very top and very bottom of clans (cwr). the top always get matched up and can match-up against average clans if they swarm half the template without fear, the bottom can farm free wins. this has created a reality were clans purposely manipulate their ratings. the purpose of the matching system was to have top cwr playing each other to create exiting games but those top clans avoid templates and slots that would pit them against each other circumnavigating the mechanic.
no system if perfect but at least random prevents the above situations taking control away from clans and giving everyone an equal chance.

If you use random pairing then it’s no longer a collective clan effort. Clan war ratings wouldn’t be in play.

If you use player ratings then it’s an individual competition. There’s already ladders / QM for that.

Current system is as good as it can be. Wins get the territories and losses reduces chance of going against higher rated clans.

I wouldn’t say any level of rating is favoured. It’s more to do with slot and template management. Try to find slots where higher rated clans don’t play on as often or try changing templates. It doesn’t particularly matter if you win or loose the game because there’s benefits of both.

If you keep getting bad pairings it’s not ideal but you could learn to get better by analysing your losses. You’ll probably pickup something new when playing against someone better than you.

If there was some sort of restriction for amount of players from same clan for the same time slot on the same template, that could be beneficial. There’s downside to it though. Might prevent people from playing the only slot that they actually have time for.

Edited 11/20/2023 04:34:24

i disagree dan, cw is a clan event regardless of cwr. it doesn’t matter if yo have a 10% or 90% wr you share equally in the prizes. i’ll say it again, as soon as a rating exists it can be manipulated, this is my second issue with cwr, the games we all play to manipulate ratings, harmony included. it wouldn’t surprise me if there have been situations where players were asked to surrender/lose on purpose to lower cwr. i’m not saying this happens only that it wouldn’t surprise me. this could have knock down effect of freezing a clan out pf rewards by 1 win that was gifted to their direct competition. eliminate cwr and all that matters are wins with equal chance of facing all players on a slot template.

random prevents the above situations taking control away from clans and giving everyone an equal chance

If we introduce random matchmaking we should definitely also introduce random templates (aka duel lotto). It give players equal chances.

the current system favours the very top and very bottom of clans (cwr)

And I completely disagree with that statement.

Both of them, a high and a low CWR, have both sides of the medal. The very top clan constantly gets the harder matches and the low CWR is only good for clans with low participation. A clan like prime, for instance, suffers very hard from a too low CWR. We had TWELVE no games yesterday (2023-11-19) and with only 29 games in total one of our worst daily participation this season. And it is very hard to come out of that low area, as even lots of wins - as they are probably against low-CWR clans - only increase CWR marginally.


Long story short: for me, the current CWR system and matchmaking adds another intersting level of strategic thinking to the system. Are you stacking or not? Are you spreading templates? Do you prefer certain times of the day? Do you risk no games just to avoid other clans that stack, too? Etc., etc...

let’s look at prime and harmony. 2/3 in total wins, 17/14 in cwr and 12/18 in real wins. these numbers do make sense outside of fizzers rating system. prime has more wins and a better win% yet lower cwr. is prime the second best cw clan, 12th or 17th?

the slot and template games still exist, we know the tendencies of clans and players schedule wise but tanking late season when places are fairly set would end as would the ability to more easily farm fw.

A competition that tests only your ability to game it has negligible strategic depth. Your enjoyment of such an event seems more akin to addiction than a sense of genuine reward.

Make healthy choices in your life. Remember than you have a very finite amount of time to spend: roughly 700k hours, of which you have about 7k for unstructured leisure (after sleep, work, eating, driving, familial responsibilities, chores, etc.). Is each season of Clan Wars worth so much of something you have so little of?

Feel in your heart how fast each day goes by.

You will likely face oblivion within 20000 days. When you do, will your time spent in Clan Wars inspire fulfillment- or regret?

Edited 11/21/2023 01:46:04

Clan wars is great. Everything has faults. Hopefully Fizzer will fix some of these faults. Playing a real-time game every day is a brilliant way to bind a community together, and the rewards are a cherry on top.

petition to have 3vs3 ror auto dis in cw

More time slots would be nice, or being able to play at any time. I currently can’t play CW because the windows just don’t work with my schedule on most days.