That's why the main point I disagree with (with my of course limited information) is that there was ever such a point when FCC was in the shape to become the game's leading community.

We were the game's leading community at one point. We won CL14 and had clan activity that dwarfed your clan and any other clan outside TSFH at the time. I think we were even voted the best clan in that end of year wz awards stream. The main reason the clan fell apart was due to a number of important players retiring around the same time (ralph, checkmqte, mgo, papamarsh, ocean, skekung, neighbor, ursus, legolas, asurados and octane), and they were never replaced, because our main recruiter had retired. The infighting that started towards the end of CL15 just brought the clans expiration date forward.

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but it always had a bunch of people like that, and it was a matter of time when they would turn against each other rather than an outside group.


Gotta love seeing you generalize an entire community based off a few trolls who just like to take the piss out of people. At its peak, FCC had the best and most active community in the game, the few very toxic personalities that did get into the clan got kicked out pretty quickly. I think it really started to fall apart when Ursus retired from the game shortly after we acquired TSFH, that took a lot of the wind out of our sails. We were way down on motivation throughout the duration of CL15, a lot of was burnout and some untimely retirements, another part of it was PS and Faler starting a bunch of drama over the name of the clan.

In the end though, there weren't many toxic personalities like you are pretty heavily implying, almost the entire community was filled with pretty nice people, and even the people who in your head you probably think are toxic, are likely just too exciting for you, because you like to take everything too seriously. There is still not a clan I've seen that have had a more active set of clan events than FCC, if you were actually in the clan, you would understand that your judgements are unfair.

Of course I haven't been in the clan and you would know much more than me. I also agree that is it sure was a minority. But FCC players were impossible to miss for being extremely vocal and aggressive in public chats over a long period of time. Saying the few toxic people were kicked immediately sounds very far from reality to me.

I'm not generalizing the former FCC community over that aspect. You could say exactly what I said about any other clan, like Python. My point is that an individual toxic and vocal person has largely more influence on a clan than someone who isn't, and a group of course even more so.

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What is unfair is that you are marginalizing toxicity that has bullied more than one player I know out of Warzone that used to enjoy the game. Enjoy that excitement.

I don't know any other community this can be said about, that's why I've found FCC very problematic and was not surprised when it split up. Needless to say that I didn't intend to say anything against you, Octane. In fact, I didn't find it necessary to name anyone specific because I'm sure it's obvious what people we are talking about.

Xenophon, IRise and Ralph among others are a real pain to deal with for any event organiser (see: Nations' Cup, or TJC Clan League cheating). Xeno specifically is known for doxing people, revealing names and postal adresses. This goes beyond being an "exciting person" or innocent trolling.

@alexclusive When I say very toxic, I mean the people who were toxic in the FCC chat/discord to other clan members. (E.G. berdan and Hotarian) I assume the people you are trying not to name but are talking about are Xeno and Irise. Simply put, they basically started no drama within the clan, we were all on good terms with each other, there was not much toxicity within the clan whatsoever. The times they were toxic in public chat were likely just them trolling and you falling for it, like I said earlier, they like to take the piss out of people, they did the same shit to clan members but we all just laughed it off.

There is no such thing as a person who is toxic to oursiders, but not to insiders. It's a character trait. You can't just say anything you want and later claim you were trolling.

Yeah I know you weren't trying to imply anything about me, but your judgement of the clan as a whole is still very unfair. I don't think Xeno and PS are wrong about FCC potentially becoming one of the consistently best clans in the long run with the structure we had in place. The main thing that killed the clan wasn't even the drama in the first place, it was the retirements and drop in motivation that soon followed it.

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Add the people Rento names to Python and my judgement about Python would be 1:1 the same. I think you understand what I mean better than you acknowledge.

I understand your perspective as an outsider, what I think you're missing is that this had no bearing on the situation inside the clan. The clan was far more active than any other at the time, and 3 people (Who mind you started no drama within the clan) weren't going to change this fact. What killed the clan wasn't them, but a completely different set of circumstances you are dismissing. The fact that you only mention them like their actions on the outside represents the entire clan doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I believe you, and I agree that that assumption as a cause of the clan falling apart wasn't accurate. It's as you say, I have had no look behind the door.

Okay, then next time, don't preach on a situation you have little knowledge about, it came across as arrogant and condescending. I understand you have your own personal biases, but you should try to not let that dictate your opinion on a more complex situation. There is always far more nuance.

This has been the best bo11 to date

I can't believe after this discussion you feel like I was more biased than you in protecting your former clanmates despite all commonly known evidence. We'll need to agree to disagree on that one.

@Alex What is this commonly known evidence? Just curious as even I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to.

rak in 9

lol xeno!!
you are crazy man
but well done the video on youtube, with small music, it was perfect
my prediction is 6.4 for rak

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alex, you're being really toxic right now to FCC. throwing out all these toxic accusations and not listening to their defence. you know i have to report you to our in-house Stamp Out Fully Toxicity (our glorious SOFT team). i hope we don't have to kick you out of Python, but you know - no tolerance and all that or otherwise it's a slippery slope straight to us becoming another clusterfuck clan of fuckwits like FCC

From an outsider's perspective, FCC's fate was sealed the moment when Xeno was let anywhere near the leadership role. FCC players should have seen that coming and they mostly have themselves to blame.

So, how many clans has Xeno killed already? TJC is the first one I know. TJC cheating scandal indirectly led to Master's collapse after CL10. And FCC turned from CL winners to a "hibernating" clan. What a great résumé.

Xeno was there from day one of the fifth, final, and the most successful rebuild of FCC. Regardless of what anyone thinks of him as a person, and the ultimate fate of FCC, he was an instrumental piece in seeing FCC grow into a clan league winner. I regret nothing with the decision of him being a part of the final rebuild.

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